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Interesting questions from Alan Korwin
« on: June 27, 2013, 07:49:40 PM »
GUN "BUYBACK" FIASCO
POSSIBLE CRIMES INVESTIGATION



Can private person buy 2,000 guns with no license?

$200,000 "anonymous funds" adds to mystery

Mayors Against Guns involved, is mayor Bloomberg too -- or his cash?

Guns could "walk" with police help, lack of oversight

Where is BATFE when you need them

"News" media cheerleads instead of investigating

Nationwide phenomenon gets little scrutiny

Major legal questions emerge:

   How does federal law allow $200,000 firearm purchase without paperwork

   No FFL present, no 4473 forms filled out

   2,000 guns bought without BATFE Demand Letter 3 compliance

   What is the procedure for repeating this procedure


NOTE: My Arizona readership already saw the first part of this story in an eblast -- the state newspaper decided not to run it because it contradicts virtually everything they said about the glorious "Phoenix Gun 'Buyback' Program." They championed it like it was the State Fair. My report (reprinted at the end) revealed it for the expensive vain hoax it was. They didn't like having their laughing-gas balloon deflated.

The second half below is breaking news -- connect the dots on two thousand (2,000) guns bought with washed money -- $200,000 delivered by an unknown bag man (one police officer suggests bag men) and no publicly disclosed investigation.



How to buy 2,000 guns, out of state, with no paperwork.

Someone anonymously provided $200,000, to buy 2,000 guns in Phoenix, in May 2013, using $100 grocery gift cards as the money.

If it was billionaire mayor Michael Bloomberg as the well-founded rumors suggest, he would have had to do it anonymously, and wash the money pretty good, because it's illegal to buy guns like that across state lines. Buying 2,000 guns that way would be 2,000 federal and state felonies.

Giving money to someone else to buy guns for you -- knowing you can't buy them yourself -- would be a "straw purchase," something mayor Bloomberg knows is strictly illegal, since he has been fighting against straw buyers publicly for a long time. We don't know who put up the cash and he sure isn't saying. The crime doesn't require that the true buyer ultimately receive the guns, just that the money moves through a knowing straw man (or woman).

The broadcast and print "news" media promoted the buyback event, proclaimed it good, spewed hyperbole about taking guns off the street, making us safer, disarming criminals, saving children. At last, something good was being done about all those nasty guns. You couldn't miss the fanfare, it was even on billboards. There was no mention how that was paid for.

These guns were never "on the street" of course, with its dirty ghetto connotation, they were in closets and drawers in folks' homes. That's just anti-gun racism that bigots like to sling at gun nuts, their "N" word for you. But I digress.

Somebody wrote the check that provided the money that was given to the perpetrators that bought the guns in the Phoenix gun buyback. It doesn't matter who. And it's really a buy up, you can't buy back something you never owned in the first place.


HOW WAS IT DONE?

We know how it was done. The anonymous bag man gave the money to Hildy Saizow and her anti-gun-rights group, the deceptively named Arizonans for Gun Safety (AGS), according to Phoenix police. Who has AGS taught gun safety to lately? That's rhetorical, the answer is no one, ever. They're in the business of buying guns to melt. And campaigning against gun ownership and gun rights.

They took the lucre and gave it to Basha's grocers, which includes Food City and AJ's Fine Foods. The Bashas turned it into 2,000 $100 grocery gift cards. It's not known if the insiders transacting these dollars for grocery cards for eventual guns cut discounts for each other, announcing big numbers but using smaller figures between themselves. They know of course, but you could have been lied to, there is zero accountability ("the donor wants to be anonymous"), and the Phoenix Mayor, Greg Stanton, a member of Bloomberg's secretive Mayors Against Guns (MAG)*, is in cahoots and playing along.

The value in the end though was $200,000 in retail cards to consumers, the event was a sellout. You should also know, as people in the business do, about 30% of gift cards are never returned, and a large percent are either never fully spent, or end up spent well over the card limit, a profit center for the issuer. So they do get big discounts on the publicized amounts. But I digress again.

So that's how Bloomberg (or MAG, his anti-rights group, or whoever it was, we don't know and the police and BATFE aren't telling) washed all the anonymous cash. The $100 cards were given out with the Phoenix police, right at the churches where the buy ups took place, and the consumers got them right at the point of exchange. Payment for goods received. We can all do that, right?

An exchange of value like that has a name. It's called a sale. In a voluntary abandonment or relinquishing of property you don't get anything. Phoenix PD didn't just get 2,000 guns, as one officer feebly mumbled. Those guns cost somebody two hundred grand.

We also know that a lot, maybe most of the people turned in virtually worthless junk and ripped off the system, so the cash may have bought far less than you think. Police do have plans to keep whatever they consider "historic." That's in the first story, linked at the end.


Arizona Republic May 2013


WHO OWNS THE 2,000 GUNS?

That's a good question. Who has title to the property? Why didn't the media ask? Oh, that's right, they're 100% in the tank for this dog-and-pony show -- honorable reporters need not apply.

The city washes its hands of all direct financial involvement, with Mayor Stanton quick at the draw with "no tax money used" before you even ask. Scores of city police officers have been involved. Scheduling, cruisers, traffic control, coordination with the churches, advertising, press conferences. No one believes that no tax money was used. But that's their story and they're sticking it to you.

Does Phoenix PD own the guns? They'll tell you no sirree. How about Ms. Saizow and her outfit? If that's it, how did she get Phoenix PD to store eight tons of property for her, at whose expense, with all the testing, inventorying, labor, rushed time frames, please don't make me go on. "No tax money here." All the circumstances seem to imply tax money being used without proper authorization for a partisan anti-rights political agenda.

The Arizona Republic, in an effort at balance, did report, "(Buybacks) make people feel good, but they do nothing to reduce violence on the street," said Joe Clure, president of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association. "The reality of the matter is gun buybacks are doing zero percent for public safety."

Where is it written the department has to rush? Just because they can't meet Bloomberg's (or whoever's) public pledge to destroy stuff quick before the law changes and they no longer have their loophole? What happens if they don't get to burn it all in time? Do they turn into pumpkins?

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Re: Interesting questions from Alan Korwin
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2013, 09:17:50 AM »
We had a citizen journalist go to a gun buy back program and ask the LEO manning  the table if he had an FFL since OR law considers any thing over 25 or so guns a gun show.  OR law also requires ALL transfers, dealer and private, to have a NICS check. Its up on YOUTUBE:
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Re: Interesting questions from Alan Korwin
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2013, 03:22:27 PM »
The link in the article does not work, but I ran across this today.

http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/2013/06/cough-it-up-bloomberg-freedom-of-information-law-request-for-all-maig-records/

Cough It Up Bloomberg: Freedom of Information Law Request For All MAIG Records

The Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation and Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms today sent a Freedom of Information Law request to the office of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, asking for all records relating to the Bloomberg administration’s involvement with Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
FOLLOW GIRLS JUST WANNA HAVE GUNS ON FACEBOOK!

SAF and CCRKBA are joined in the request by Tom Gresham, host of the nationally-syndicated “Gun Talk” radio program. The request, prepared by SAF Special Projects Director Philip Watson, was sent electronically and via overnight mail. Gresham and the two gun rights organizations are asking for the following:

1. All electronic records related to Mayors Against Illegal Guns and the website MayorsAgainstIllegalGuns.org, including, but not limited to:
a. All electronic files saved on city servers
b. All Emails to or from users at the domain MayorsAgainstIllegalGuns.org
c. All current and former employees, officials, outside contractors, and volunteers with access to the website MayorsAgainstIllegalGuns.org
d. All current and former Email users and usernames that have had access to send or receive Email from @MayorsAgainstIllegalGuns.org
-2. Any and all records related to Mayors Against Illegal Guns electronic files, including, but not limited to:



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Re: Interesting questions from Alan Korwin
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 06:20:27 PM »
WOW did this topic change my attitude as it relates to the gun grabbing control freaks!  Normally when they attend a "licensed gun show" they are screaming, whining and tearing their hair out (especially if the MSM is in attendance)  But show up at one of their gun buy back outings and they are all smiles and laughing and it all seems to be a big YUCK!   I especially liked the LEO who started out so eager to help the citizen and then abruptly turned on him when he dare question the event.  It was really evident that the police had put in a lot of time (perhaps, Overtime!) into the event as well.  The mayor played the classic politico who always knows what's best for his flock....I mean constituents.  Suddenly he has a brain F**T and scurries away like cockroaches do when someone turns on the basement light.  I loved the attitude of one of the volunteers at the end who so willingly obliged to be cuffed as well as "assuming the position" so properly that she may have had lots of practice in her personal history.  She seemed to be a delightfully pleasant person who was having a good time.  No laws being violated here.  Keep moving.
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Re: Interesting questions from Alan Korwin
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 07:16:52 PM »
Bloomberg has already conspired to commit straw purchases here in NH as well as other states, DOJ refused to prosecute, but told him not to do it any more .

http://hoodathunk.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/judge-rules-bloomberg-committed-no-crime-in-attempted-straw-purchases/

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Re: Interesting questions from Alan Korwin
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Re: Interesting questions from Alan Korwin
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2013, 01:44:35 AM »
Kinda digging on the purple shirt girl! Not much on common but she's got a pretty body!
Don't think that bush is gonna hold her up though..  ;D
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Re: Interesting questions from Alan Korwin
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2013, 09:17:09 AM »
Bloomberg has already conspired to commit straw purchases here in NH as well as other states, DOJ refused to prosecute, but told him not to do it any more .

http://hoodathunk.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/judge-rules-bloomberg-committed-no-crime-in-attempted-straw-purchases/

HMMMMM - A case of We pick & choose what laws to enforce, But remember this "We are a nation of laws" and follow them.???
Guess it falls under the "It's in the interest of keeping the public safe"
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Re: Interesting questions from Alan Korwin
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2013, 09:35:54 AM »
HMMMMM - A case of We pick & choose what laws to enforce, But remember this "We are a nation of laws" and follow them.???
Guess it falls under the "It's in the interest of keeping the public safe"

As long as it doesn't make "his people" ie socialists, Black's, and self important control freaks, look bad.
His own words, not my opinion.


 

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