Author Topic: The Lynching - Bill Whittle  (Read 3409 times)

Ichiban

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1847
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« on: July 20, 2013, 02:35:06 PM »
Quote
Bill Whittle examines the death of Trayvon Martin and trial of George Zimmerman. Is the acquittal of Zimmerman one of the great civil rights injustices of our time?

As usual, Bill knocks it out of the park.
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56&load=8689

DaverZ

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 278
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2013, 02:48:39 PM »
awesome,must see

crusader rabbit

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2731
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 30
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2013, 04:11:31 PM »
awesome,must see

Awesome, indeed. 

Whittle comes through with simple facts, not speculation.  It is a masterful presentation with a meaningful conclusion.

Crusader Rabbit
“I’ve lived the literal meaning of the ‘land of the free’ and ‘home of the brave.’ It’s not corny for me. I feel it in my heart. I feel it in my chest. Even at a ball game, when someone talks during the anthem or doesn’t take off his hat, it pisses me off. I’m not one to be quiet about it, either.”  Chris Kyle

JdePietro

  • M14 Patterned Protagonist
  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 282
  • "Neither Spare nor Dispose"
    • Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2013, 07:17:34 PM »
Just let me zip up my flame suit...  ::)

I don't know why this keeps playing itself out. Those who believe that Mr. Zimmerman started a conflict that ultimately ended Mr. Martin's life would love for us to believe that Mr. Martin was a sweet endearing boy with a bright future. Those on Mr. Zimmerman's side try to say that Mr. Martin was a thug punk looking for loot and blood.

At the end of the day all it does is rile people up and cause disharmony among a divided nation. If just once, just one time we put aside all of this stupid and senseless class divide/culture divide bull shit and pretended like we were real, intelligent human beings we could see that we all bleed red and that facts are all that matter in case that is only decided by law.

When you are put in the position of judging someone based on a set of guidelines, you follow those guidelines. In this case it was the actions of two people and the law that governs the legal aspects of taking a life. The courts tried to do a good job at allowing all of the factual evidence to come into play as they could but lets talk about what didn't matter for a second.

Skittles, Sprite, failed police exams, hoodies, baby pictures, race, weed, scholastic records and the stand your ground law.

What was important? Armed, unarmed, actions, consequences, disparity of force, and reaction.

If you can put aside all of the petty nonsense that made this the spectacle it became than you can come to the conclusion that Mr. Martin and Mr. Zimmerman were two people that had no prior knowledge of each other. That night they crossed paths and ultimately one of them did not survive the encounter. Mr. Zimmerman would not have had knowledge of the contents of Mr. Martin's pockets or his scholastic records or drug use and Mr. Martin would not have known about Mr. Zimmerman's status as a neighborhood watch volunteer or his inability to pursue a career in law enforcement.

Now here is where things actually get tricky, and bravo to the defense for having it shown as such.

You can see this as one whole incident or as two separate incidents. The moment Mr. Zimmerman saw Mr. Martin a timer started. This "shot clock" if you will, began ticking off the seconds of the encounter. When Mr. Zimmerman ceased his pursuit and proceeded back to his vehicle the clock stopped, the first incident was over. When Mr. Martin approached Mr. Zimmerman the clock started again. As the confrontation continued Mr. Martin achieved the upper hand in the scuffle and Mr. Zimmerman reacted to save his own life by using the one tool he was most afraid of loosing possession of.

Like it or not, if you choose to carry a firearm, there is always at least one firearm at your incident. You cannot allow it to be taken, and yes this does make things more dangerous for all involved. We could argue about Mr. Martin's intentions all we want but the fight ended before he was allowed the use of Mr. Zimmerman's firearm and that is the only fact we can allow in the court. If it had been argued that this was one congruent encounter and that the clock never stopped after Mr. Zimmerman ceased his pursuit, you could say that Mr. Zimmerman started the altercation that ended Mr. Martin's life. You still could not argue that Mr. Zimmerman's actions were not in direct result to Mr. Martin's escalation of the incident. If Mr. Martin had not decided to hit Mr. Zimmerman and then repeatedly bounce his head off the concrete there would have been no need for a deadly force reaction. There may be some arguing over how long the reaction took and if Mr. Martin was still on top of Mr. Zimmerman at the time of the shooting or not but at the end of the trial the jury believed that Mr. Zimmerman RE-acted. If the first action was to hurt or destroy the reaction has every right to bring the same amount of intensity. That is ultimately what won the case for Mr. Zimmerman.

The petty bickering over race, culture, upbringing, who wanted blood who was the good guy. None of that matters, it only serves to further destroy relations among people that without a constant news feed would probably be able to look at each other in public without feeling guilt, fear, or anger.
 
How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live.
-Henry David Thoreau

fightingquaker13

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11894
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2013, 07:27:29 PM »
Nice post. There are no heros or villians here. Just two guys who made bad choices and we should learn from them.

Sponsor

  • Guest
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #5 on: Today at 01:08:24 PM »

Solus

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8666
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 43
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2013, 08:04:49 PM »
Maybe Massad Ayoob sticks to the facts here...seems like he does...and these facts, the first time I have seem them presented, convinced me that Zimmerman was less part of the problem than I had thought he possibly could be before.

Note that Mass presents evidence that supports the theory Zimmerman didn't leave his truck until police asked him for current information

Mass also shows  evidence that Zimmerman stopped following Martin when told by police it was not necessary. 

Evidence is shown that Martin stopped heading for the house when Zimmerman stopped following  him.

And finally, evidence is presented that indicates that Martin made the first verbal actions in the final confrontation.

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/17/zimmerman-verdict-part-3-who-started-it/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MassadAyoob+%28Massad+Ayoob%29
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

Ichiban

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1847
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2013, 08:58:49 PM »
Before this devolves into all of the details of the encounter that have been hashed and rehashed so many times, the link is really about the LSM portrayal of the proponents.  Not that they have an agenda or anything.   ::)

Bic

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 833
  • It's just a pen name...
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2013, 11:09:51 PM »
I hesitate to post a link to the website upon which I found this...but I'm sure you can find it if you think it important.  Bic.


Default Made for TV movie about Trayvon Martin: Here's the script...



Travyon, played by Jaden Smith, is shown at school, raising his hand in literature class. The wise Hispanic teacher, played by Antonio Banderas, calls on him. Trayvon stands up and recites lines of Shakespeare in a hip, cool, but moving rap. As he sits down Banderas smiles and nods at him with a wise, knowing approval.

 Trayvon is seen hanging out after school on the lush greens of the front school yard with his friends, featuring the girl who played Precious, plus a mix of races: a white blonde girl, a Hispanic kid, an Urkel-looking black nerd, a white kid with his hat on backwards. A veritable Burger King Kids Club.

 Cut to a dark apartment, where Zimmerman, played by Luis Guzman, is doing pull-ups, with the words FEAR and HATE inked on his knuckles. He then practices shooting his empty gun at himself in a mirror. "You talking to me?" Guzman says. "You in MY neighborhood?" He then sits down to watch Birth of a Nation.

 Cut to Trayvon at home, at the dinner table with his parents, played by Jamie Foxx and Maya Angelou. They discuss Tray's future plans of being an airline pilot. "It's a mighty big responsibility," Jamie Foxx says. "Having all those souls onboard." "I know," Jaden/Tray says. "I want to be like Sully some day though."

 After dinner his little brother asks him if he can go get some candy and tea. Even though it's raining out, Tray agrees. In slow-mo he zips up his hoody, pulled from the dryer.

 Cut to Zimmerman patrolling the streets as rain pours on his uncovered head. He does tuck-and-rolls across neighbors' lawns, pulling out his gun and pointing it at dark shadows. A cat crosses his path and he fires at it. He chuckles mercilessly.

 "Keep the change," Tray says with a smile to the woman working at the convenience store. With the snacks for his brother he walks out of the store, not before passing by a magazine with Sully on the cover. Tray smiles.

 Cut to Trayvon skipping down the sidewalk. A group of multicultural young males is there smoking pot. "You wanna get high?" one asks. "No," Trayvon answers, "then I'll never be able to be a pilot." He continues to skip down the path and eventually enters the condo complex.

 As Trayvon turns a corner, a sweaty and enraged Zimmerman emerges from the shadows. "Where do you think you're going, NIGGER?"

 Trayvon stumbles on his words and tries to answer but is silenced when Zim cold cocks himself with the gun and starts beating himself on the back of his own head. "Help! Help! Somebody help me!" Zimmerman screams.

 "Please sir, I just want to return home to my brother and finish my homework," Trayvon pleads.

 "That's too bad," Zimmerman says. He then empties his entire gun magazine into the baby-faced teen. "It looks like your dog ate it."
Best Wishes, Mike.

kmitch200

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2290
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 5
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2013, 07:48:38 PM »
Cut to Zimmerman patrolling the streets as rain pours on his uncovered head. He does tuck-and-rolls across neighbors' lawns, pulling out his gun and pointing it at dark shadows. A cat crosses his path and he fires at it. He chuckles mercilessly.

I had to laugh out loud at that one.  ;D

One of the race baiters out there said he genuinely thought that if Martin had been white, the outcome would have been completely different. As if having your neighbor ripped off by a white guy is somehow better than getting burgled by some other color skin. What nonsense.

Here's a story from 2012: http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21843760/teen-accused-el-paso-officers-fatal-beating-indicted

Four years as a cop, two tours in the sandboxes with the USMC and beat to death by a 17 yr old that punched him in the face then straddled him and continued beating.

h/t to Tam's blog
You can say lots of bad things about pedophiles; but at least they drive slowly past schools.

PegLeg45

  • NRA Life, SAF, Constitutionalist
  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13288
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 1434
Re: The Lynching - Bill Whittle
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 02:08:12 PM »

You can see this as one whole incident or as two separate incidents. The moment Mr. Zimmerman saw Mr. Martin a timer started. This "shot clock" if you will, began ticking off the seconds of the encounter. When Mr. Zimmerman ceased his pursuit and proceeded back to his vehicle the clock stopped, the first incident was over. When Mr. Martin approached Mr. Zimmerman the clock started again. As the confrontation continued Mr. Martin achieved the upper hand in the scuffle and Mr. Zimmerman reacted to save his own life by using the one tool he was most afraid of loosing possession of.


Just as a side note, this was covered in the Neighborhood Watch episode of The Best Defense last season.
"I expect perdition, I always have. I keep this building at my back, and several guns handy, in case perdition arrives in a form that's susceptible to bullets. I expect it will come in the disease form, though. I'm susceptible to diseases, and you can't shoot a damned disease." ~ Judge Roy Bean, Streets of Laredo

For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

"When it comes to the enemy, just because they ain't pullin' a trigger, doesn't mean they ain't totin' ammo for those that are."~PegLeg

 

SMF spam blocked by CleanTalk