Christie

[tombogan03884]

I have heard the same crap my whole life, and have even said it myself, a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for the Democrat.  Well, no it isn't.  It is a vote for the 3rd party candidate, pure and simple.  How is voting for Christie any better than voting for Hillary, or whoever runs?  What the hell is the difference?  I only voted for McCain because of Sarah Palin, and only voted for Romney to get Obama out.  Not because I liked either one or their policies.  Honestly, how smart was it to nominate Romney?  The guy that started socialized medicine in MA who claimed to be totally against Obamacare?  How many people really bought that?  McCain was the idiot that pushed for campaign finance reform that did nothing but prevent groups like the NRA from putting out commercials against anti gun candidates!  Did nothing to prevent Soros from pouring all his money into whoever he wanted to elect.  Not to mention McCain had anti gun commercials to close the "gun show loophole."  How is voting for creeps like this a good thing, ever?  Why is voting for Communist light a good thing?  I wont be swayed this time by all that BS talk. 

You didn't learn a damned thing from the recent Va election did you ?
The DEMS spent over $1MILLION  backing a GOOD 3rd party candidate.
He didn't have a hope in hell of winning but he got enough votes from idiots to cost the Republican a 3% victory. instead he lost by 1% and Va residents are now going to get "Detroited" all because  of pig headed people who just don't get it..

[Solus]

You didn't learn a damned thing from the recent Va election did you ?
The DEMS spent over $1MILLION  backing a GOOD 3rd party candidate.
He didn't have a hope in hell of winning but he got enough votes from idiots to cost the Republican a 3% victory. instead he lost by 1% and Va residents are now going to get "Detroited" all because  of pig headed people who just don't get it..

Tom, you sound satisfied with the performance of most Republican politicians....either that or you like the performance of a few well enough to buy the whole package.

I and others just are not that pleased with them.  While I think they are better than Democrats, it is only because they move in the same path as the Democrats...they just go a bit slower to get there...but get there they will.

Voting for the Democrats or their near twins, the Republicans, will make sure nothing changes.  Keep doing the same thing and you can only expect the same results.

If everyone fed up with the Democrats and the Republicans would vote for the strongest 3rd party candidate there would be a chance for different results.  Maybe not in the first election cycle, but it would grow.  And in the meanwhile, both Republicans and Democrats would rewrite their song and dance to include a few verses and steps from that 3rd party.

Sure, past performance indicates that all the promises will be false from both the Republicans and Democrats, but it might just stick long enough to influence a few issues while the spot light is on them.

Maybe it would be possible to "convert" a party, say the Republicans, to the new 3rd party, but it seems unlikely after watching how the party establishment fights the Tea Party element.

Honestly, I don't expect this to happen.  It seems just as improbable to get voters to alter bad patterns as it is to get politicians to do so.

This leads me back to your "Hemp Solution" which seems more and more likely to be how things will need to go.  The only feasible, but unlikely, alternative is for a 3rd party to make progress.

[jaybet]

I don't have enough energy for the whole argument right now, but I need to respond to the question, "How is voting for Christi any different than voting for Hilary?". That's MY whole point.
Voting for Christi would be a lot different than voting for Hilary, because he is not pretending to be an idealogue. He heard the gun people in NJ in spite of the overwheiming Democrat screeching and realized that he can't ignore us completely. He reacted in his own best interest and essentially vetoed the really stupid, bad legislation.
Hilary would have signed those bills into law because of Democratic arrogance. She, Obama, and all the rest of those turds assume they can s**t on the Constitution and conservatives because they can always use the big lie and racism to justify their arrogance.
There's a BIG difference between the two.

NO candidate that will make it to POTUS finals will do a hand job for tea partiers...there just aren't enough of them. Extremism on either side of the aisle is not going to win elections, and you are not going to get 100% of what you want.

[gunman42782]

You didn't learn a damned thing from the recent Va election did you ?
The DEMS spent over $1MILLION  backing a GOOD 3rd party candidate.
He didn't have a hope in hell of winning but he got enough votes from idiots to cost the Republican a 3% victory. instead he lost by 1% and Va residents are now going to get "Detroited" all because  of pig headed people who just don't get it..

Apparently, you didn't learn much from VA either.  From everything I have heard the Republicans for all intents and purposes didn't even try to get their candidate elected!  Once again, because he was "too conservative to be elected"!  Did you learn anything from the last two presidential elections?  Or, I should say, do you think the GOP learned anything?  Both times, they attached themselves to the ones the news media picked as "winnable" candidates, nominated them, and then the news media proceeded to tear them a new rear end!  Like I said, I felt the same way as you do, but I am sick of voting for people I don't believe in.  As Solus said in his post, there is no longer a nickels worth of  difference between the R and the D anymore.  It is like a freaking game they are playing, and I am sick of playing the game.  

By the way, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and thinking the outcome will be different. 

[Timothy]

We have three more years of the fuckstick in chief.  Any bets that we'll have a country left to try and rebuild?

I'll do what I decide to do regardless of anyone else's opinion on the matter! 

[Sponsor]

[Ulmus]

I'll do what I decide to do regardless of anyone else's opinion on the matter! 

I think we call that freedom.

[tombogan03884]

Tom, you sound satisfied with the performance of most Republican politicians....either that or you like the performance of a few well enough to buy the whole package.

I and others just are not that pleased with them.  While I think they are better than Democrats, it is only because they move in the same path as the Democrats...they just go a bit slower to get there...but get there they will.

Voting for the Democrats or their near twins, the Republicans, will make sure nothing changes.  Keep doing the same thing and you can only expect the same results.

If everyone fed up with the Democrats and the Republicans would vote for the strongest 3rd party candidate there would be a chance for different results.  Maybe not in the first election cycle, but it would grow.  And in the meanwhile, both Republicans and Democrats would rewrite their song and dance to include a few verses and steps from that 3rd party.

Sure, past performance indicates that all the promises will be false from both the Republicans and Democrats, but it might just stick long enough to influence a few issues while the spot light is on them.

Maybe it would be possible to "convert" a party, say the Republicans, to the new 3rd party, but it seems unlikely after watching how the party establishment fights the Tea Party element.

Honestly, I don't expect this to happen.  It seems just as improbable to get voters to alter bad patterns as it is to get politicians to do so.

This leads me back to your "Hemp Solution" which seems more and more likely to be how things will need to go.  The only feasible, but unlikely, alternative is for a 3rd party to make progress.

Apparently, you didn't learn much from VA either.  From everything I have heard the Republicans for all intents and purposes didn't even try to get their candidate elected!  Once again, because he was "too conservative to be elected"!  Did you learn anything from the last two presidential elections?  Or, I should say, do you think the GOP learned anything?  Both times, they attached themselves to the ones the news media picked as "winnable" candidates, nominated them, and then the news media proceeded to tear them a new rear end!  Like I said, I felt the same way as you do, but I am sick of voting for people I don't believe in.  As Solus said in his post, there is no longer a nickels worth of  difference between the R and the D anymore.  It is like a freaking game they are playing, and I am sick of playing the game. 

By the way, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and thinking the outcome will be different. 

You are the ones who don't get it.
Use your heads for more than butt plugs.
Even with the "establishment" repubs working against him the candidate in Va only lost by 1%.
The  "Libertarian" financed by the dems took 4.5% of votes from people like you .
The Republicans are a leaderless, aimless clusterf*ck.
Would you prefer leaving the country to the Democrats who have been working single mindedly for 100 years to destroy this country ?
Your genius has already given us 8 years of "Hope and Change".
Are you going to keep repeating the same stupid sh!t ?
Or maybe do something different ?
Only a traitor or an idiot believes ANYTHING is more important in the next 2 elections than getting rid of the Dems.

[Solus]

You are the ones who don't get it.
Use your heads for more than butt plugs.
Even with the "establishment" repubs working against him the candidate in Va only lost by 1%.
The  "Libertarian" financed by the dems took 4.5% of votes from people like you .
The Republicans are a leaderless, aimless clusterf*ck.
Would you prefer leaving the country to the Democrats who have been working single mindedly for 100 years to destroy this country ?
Your genius has already given us 8 years of "Hope and Change".
Are you going to keep repeating the same stupid sh!t ?
Or maybe do something different ?
Only a traitor or an idiot believes ANYTHING is more important in the next 2 elections than getting rid of the Dems.

Just one question. 

How long  have you been voting Republican because nothing is more important than getting/keeping the Dems out of office?

And here we are again...with nothing more important than getting rid of the Dems.

The Republicans do little more than keep the seats warm for the Dems and take smaller bites out of our liberties.

This is a classic Good Cop/Bad Cop opperation....work with either one and you lose.

[billt]

Just one question. How long  have you been voting Republican because nothing is more important than getting/keeping the Dems out of office? And here we are again...with nothing more important than getting rid of the Dems. The Republicans do little more than keep the seats warm for the Dems and take smaller bites out of our liberties. This is a classic Good Cop/Bad Cop opperation....work with either one and you lose.

All true. However it is all we can do until the Republican Party is taken over by a more hard core conservative bunch. And until they can produce a vibrant, explosive, dynamic, candidate to go along with it. Who in turn will bring out the conservatives and moderate Republicans to the polls, to the point they're knocking each other over to get there.

They need someone who can play hardball with the liberals, and call them out for their overall stupidity. Especially Obama's. Let them play the race card. Political correctness isn't going to mean $h!t when you're sick, and have been dropped by your health care provider because of Obama Care, and can't afford the new premiums you'll be required to pay........... Or else die.

If we waste our time voting for a third party loser, all it will accomplish is getting Hillary.

[tombogan03884]

Politics is about getting and using power.
You have to get it before you can use, and voting for a 3rd party ain't the way to get it.