Peaceful Civil Uprising Not Out of the Question

[ExurbanKevin]

Having lived in Ecuador during a time when rule of law was effectively suspended, I get real nervous about this kind of talk. I've seen what it's like, and it is NOT, as the bard says, a a consummation devoutly to be wished.

I understand the sentiment, but the reality is very harsh indeed.

[JC5123]

I fully agree that violence is not the way. However, does anyone know what the alternative is? A state convention? Secession? The last election proved to me that the populace is lost and dependent, many of them permanently. I think I can speak for most of us here when I say that these leeches HAVE to be made to fend for themselves. Next, the fed has to be drastically slashed. The soap box gets you labeled as a domestic terrorist, the ballot box is stuffed, and the regime is pushing hard to disarm us. Where does that leave us?

BTW I finally found the case where the GOP gave up all rights to a clean election. I had heard of it, but never saw the evidence before this.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/

http://judicialview.com/Court-Cases/Civil-Procedure/Democratic-National-Committee-v-Republican-National-Committee/10/201975

[Rastus]

I fully agree that violence is not the way. However, does anyone know what the alternative is? A state convention? Secession? The last election proved to me that the populace is lost and dependent, many of them permanently. I think I can speak for most of us here when I say that these leeches HAVE to be made to fend for themselves. Next, the fed has to be drastically slashed. The soap box gets you labeled as a domestic terrorist, the ballot box is stuffed, and the regime is pushing hard to disarm us. Where does that leave us?

BTW I finally found the case where the GOP gave up all rights to a clean election. I had heard of it, but never saw the evidence before this.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/

http://judicialview.com/Court-Cases/Civil-Procedure/Democratic-National-Committee-v-Republican-National-Committee/10/201975

Secession was tried in the 1800's.  Didn't work.

Maybe the GOP debacle (and I remember thinking what unmitigated stupidity it was) to stay away from voter fraud is the driving factor for the Dems to hit the Tea Party using the IRS, etc.  The Tea Party is not restrained like the party which smells of the stench of foolishness and elderly finality...i.e. the GOP.

[Pathfinder]

I fully agree that violence is not the way. However, does anyone know what the alternative is? A state convention? Secession? The last election proved to me that the populace is lost and dependent, many of them permanently. I think I can speak for most of us here when I say that these leeches HAVE to be made to fend for themselves. Next, the fed has to be drastically slashed. The soap box gets you labeled as a domestic terrorist, the ballot box is stuffed, and the regime is pushing hard to disarm us. Where does that leave us?

BTW I finally found the case where the GOP gave up all rights to a clean election. I had heard of it, but never saw the evidence before this.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/

http://judicialview.com/Court-Cases/Civil-Procedure/Democratic-National-Committee-v-Republican-National-Committee/10/201975

I had seen these previously, just more pieces in the puzzle that will end - is designed to end - with the failure of this country on any number of levels - economic, military, perhaps even independence.

With the dems controlling the DOJ - in fact, the entire .gov bureaucracy - the GOP can do nothing at this point other than go along. Any attempt to disrupt the status quo will fail miserably due to the .gov filing all sorts of lawsuits, people going to prison or just flat out disappearing, or perhaps like Vince Foster "committing suicide. Or like the Generals and Admirals of late being outed for their "indiscretions". Why do you think so many "senior GOP officials" are so lukewarm (at best) or even anti any Constitutional controls?

Sadly, I have reached the conclusion that until our blood enemies - as Michael Bane (correctly, IMHO) labeled them - start dying off, there will be no change in the move toward the abyss. Trouble is, they have bred and indoctrinated millions of our younger "fellow" countrymen and women (I use the word "fellow" in the sense they inhabit the same geopolitical spaces) who will continue their destructive tendencies without regard to their own plight. Lenin's useful idiots.

So until the status quo changes, there will be no change from where we are going nor the rapidity of the movement - except perhaps an acceleration of the end. And this once-great country will disappear into broken up bits and pieces. IMHO.

[JC5123]

I had seen these previously, just more pieces in the puzzle that will end - is designed to end - with the failure of this country on any number of levels - economic, military, perhaps even independence.

With the dems controlling the DOJ - in fact, the entire .gov bureaucracy - the GOP can do nothing at this point other than go along. Any attempt to disrupt the status quo will fail miserably due to the .gov filing all sorts of lawsuits, people going to prison or just flat out disappearing, or perhaps like Vince Foster "committing suicide. Or like the Generals and Admirals of late being outed for their "indiscretions". Why do you think so many "senior GOP officials" are so lukewarm (at best) or even anti any Constitutional controls?

Sadly, I have reached the conclusion that until our blood enemies - as Michael Bane (correctly, IMHO) labeled them - start dying off, there will be no change in the move toward the abyss. Trouble is, they have bred and indoctrinated millions of our younger "fellow" countrymen and women (I use the word "fellow" in the sense they inhabit the same geopolitical spaces) who will continue their destructive tendencies without regard to their own plight. Lenin's useful idiots.

So until the status quo changes, there will be no change from where we are going nor the rapidity of the movement - except perhaps an acceleration of the end. And this once-great country will disappear into broken up bits and pieces. IMHO.

While I agree with your sentiments. I cannot agree with your conclusion. It makes it sound as if you have given up. I cannot believe that of you. I keep coming back to the quote (which I will now misquote) "Evil can only exist as long as good men do nothing." The same applies to tyranny. If tyranny, however soft, is not what we are living under right now, then what is this? I'm fed up with hearing that all of this is the "new normal". Dammit we are AMERICANS! We are better than this! When did half of this country decide that it was ok to be a guinea pig is the progressives social experiment? And when did the rest of us decide that it was ok to stand by and be extorted?

I have been blessed in this life, but I also have a rare trait called a strong work ethic. I have used the opportunities that I have been given to make a good life for myself. One that I am not willing to give away to someone who the .gov thinks is more deserving that me, simply because they vote the right way. I saw the call of duty commercial the other night, "there's a soldier in all of us"? Well I believe there is a founder in all of us. Jefferson, Washington, Adams. They are alive today. They are in each of us that still holds dear the founding of nation, and the meaning of our Constitution.

If we stand aside, if we let that go, then our nation does die. Our true history, and our exceptionalism will die with it. No one will ever know what our soldiers fought, and died for. They will be bastardized by revisionist historians, as murderers, and thugs. Our children and grandchildren will never know that our nation was once a beacon of light, that put forth it's best, brightest, and bravest to help bring hope and liberty to every corner of the world.

I can't let that scenario play out. I won't. As Reagan said "We are the last best hope for man on earth." If real men, true patriots, don't stand up now, in the time our nation needs them most, then we are all branded cowards, and we have already lost.

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[alex4922]

"While I agree with your sentiments. I cannot agree with your conclusion. It makes it sound as if you have given up. I cannot believe that of you."

Agree comletely !!!  A friend and I attended the big Tea Party in DC. We were totally blown away by the energy and power of such a large diverse group of Americans comming together to say no to big brother. Yea they pushed through B'HOs bill and we were demonized and lied about by the media dinosaurs, so the talking point was that we left our sheets and nooses at home to be brought out later.

 WELL, I'm here to say that you haven't seen nothin yet!  When all these folks who thought the new messiah had come down to stop the oceans rise and bring social justice to America see the collapse of the finest health care the world has ever known and their dollars are worth about what Charmin is it will hit the fan.

The political class has had it's day. Now is the time for our people to relearn the Constitution, to teach their children well.

[Solus]

A peaceful uprising seldom, if ever, has influenced a totalitarian regime...and that is what we have this one working to become.

The chances of another type of uprising being successful will depend on a lot of factors, not the least of which is which way the Armed Forces go.  I want to believe they will refuse to fire on armed citizens in rebellion against a tyrannical government, but I don't think it is a sure thing, especially if it is unorganized small local pockets of rebels.

To get organized, local leadership is needed...and it might be found at the local gun club or range, but that is iffy at best.  I'd say the best chance of strong local leadership would come from a Sheriff and their department who will stand firm in defense of the Constitution.  Citizens can be deputized, BYOWeapons and ammo.

This will offer leadership and a measure of legality to the "rebels" along with a communications network for as long as that might last.

[billt]

The problem with liberalism is that when it's applied, it changes peoples minds automatically because it sucks in practice. We're seeing it now with Obama Care. There will be more grand failures of it, and other entitlements in the future. You can "indoctrinate" all you want, but if it sucks in actual application people will reject it. As bad as Russia is today, they continually reject any talk of going back to communism. Except for the younger ones who never experienced it, and base their "knowledge" on bull$h!t. You can tell people $h!t tastes good for only so long, but the reality will sink in after the first bite.

[Solus]

The problem with liberalism is that when it's applied, it changes peoples minds automatically because it sucks in practice. We're seeing it now with Obama Care. There will be more grand failures of it, and other entitlements in the future. You can "indoctrinate" all you want, but if it sucks in actual application people will reject it. As bad as Russia is today, they continually reject any talk of going back to communism. Except for the younger ones who never experienced it, and base their "knowledge" on bull$h!t. You can tell people $h!t tastes good for only so long, but the reality will sink in after the first bite.

I have my doubts that will make much difference.

The mindset still isn't going to turn away from their utopia, they will just believe that we didn't put enough into it and if we just spend what we should have in the first place and Rich Folks be Damned, we could produces some fine tasting $hit.

[tombogan03884]

" Peaceful Civil Uprising" ?
What an idiotic concept .
The difference between a "peaceful uprising" and a civil war is which way the Army faces when they get their orders to open fire, just like in Moscow 1991.