Author Topic: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??  (Read 9481 times)

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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2013, 05:08:07 AM »
He formed "The Tip of The Spear" terrorist organization which was responsible for the bombing of various 'soft targets' - white frequented shopping centres etc. - that's why he was in jail, not for being black. Shoulda been hanged then, SA could not have done any worse.

This is the ass wipe they're "honoring".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

"In the 1985 Amanzimtoti bomb on the Natal South Coast, five civilians were killed and 40 were injured when MK cadre Andrew Sibusiso Zondo detonated an explosive in a rubbish bin at a shopping center shortly before Christmas. In a submission to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC), the ANC stated that Zondo acted on orders after a recent SADF raid in Lesotho.

In the 1986 Durban beach-front bombing, a bomb was detonated in a bar, killing three civilians and injuring 69. Robert McBride received the death penalty for this bombing which became known as the "Magoo's Bar bombing". Although the subsequent Truth and Reconciliation Committee called the bombing a "gross violation of human rights", McBride received amnesty and became a senior police officer.

In 1987, an explosion outside a Johannesburg court killed three people and injured 10; a court in Newcastle had been attacked in a similar way the previous year, injuring 24. In 1987, a bomb exploded at a military command center in Johannesburg, killing one person and injuring 68 personnel.

The bombing campaign continued with attacks on a series of soft targets, including a bank in Roodepoort in 1988, in which four civilians were killed and 18 injured. Also in 1988, in a bomb detonation outside a magistrate's court killed three. At the Ellis Park rugby stadium in Johannesburg, a car bomb killed two and injured 37 civilians. A multitude of bombs in "Wimpy Bar" fast food outlets and supermarkets occurred during the late 1980s, killing and wounding many people. Wimpy were specifically targeted because of their perceived rigid enforcements of many Apartheid-era laws, including excluding people of color from their restaurants. Several other bombings occurred, with smaller numbers of casualties."


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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 02:58:27 PM »
its funny how a terrorist can be come a icon. 

Like,  Menachem Begin, and Yasser Arafat ?

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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM »
I don't have a real deep understanding of Mandela. I know he was a terrorist and was in jail for  along time over it. I know some of his wives were whitey haters. If I was black in south africa I might have been a whitey hater too.
I DO know that when he got out and became president, even though there may have been backroom politics, underground deeds, etc., when it came down to the wire and EVERYONE was listening, he said, "Forgive".
Some people have their entire lives blown up over one statement. This direction MADE his legacy...people took it for gospel and got some stuff done.
Over all it was a plus for everyone there. Hutus and Booboos or whatever they are called are NOT busy hacking each other up with garden tools and angle iron, and over all that's a good thing.

I'm not going out to cheer or celebrate his sainthood, but I'm also not going to join in with those who condemn him for a photo from 40 years ago. The guy was trying to get s*** done. If one of you guys was trying to preserve the Constitution right now there's a good chance you'd be labeled a terrorist. Hell, you get that label just for believing in the Constitution, much less trying to defend it.
I think it's wasted energy to fight the "Santa Clausification" of Mandela. Everybody needs a hero.

Now half staff here in the US and Obama acting like Jesus got crucified again?  Stupid theatre. I've talked to a lot of people who are all Mandela this and Mandela that, and don't even know WHY he was in prison. Same old crap. Black folks that don't care because he's black and thast all that matters, and white folks that are uninformed and are spouting what they read in their liberal rags without knowing any facts. SOS.
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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2013, 08:14:38 PM »
Wow...funny. I just realized my avatar looks like a Affrikaner guitar player.
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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2013, 08:41:43 AM »
I get the fact if you're black, and living in South Africa under Apartheid you would think Mandela is a "hero". Many blacks living here think Obama is a "hero", in spite of the fact he is destroying the very foundation this country was built on. This whole thing boils down to Capitalism vs. Communism, and the haves vs. The have not's. Nothing more.

Mandela is / was a Communist of the highest order, just like Obama. The fact is and remains that most blacks are have not's. Here, in South Africa, as well as most of the rest of the civilized world. That is not a "racist" statement, but rather one of fact. The past white leaders of South Africa were Capitalists. The country flourished economically under their rule. The problem the blacks had with that form of government is, much like here, they weren't participants in it. So because of that, much like here, they wanted to be ruled by "their own people". They got their wish under Mandela. They got it here under Obama. There is more to it than that, but that's basically it in a nutshell.

Under the Communist rule of Mandela, and subsequent black leaders like Jacob Zuma, the have not's, (blacks), were provided for in a manner they were not under Deklerk and other white rulers of that country. In the process the entire country was brought down to it's knees economically, just like every other white run nation in Africa that was handed over to the blacks. Rhodesia / Zimbabwe come to mind as an epic failure in Africa under current black rule. Hard to match Zimbabwe's inflation rate unless Obama declared Monopoly money to be real.

Much the same thing happened here. Look at Detroit, Chicago, and California if you want to see the result of veering away from Capitalism, and "leveling the playing field" by "spreading the wealth around". These cities and states are either already wastelands, (Detroit), or else they are well on their way to becoming that. (Chicago and California). Too many have not's, (minorities), while the producing people, (white haves), are moving out. The exact same thing is happening today in South Africa. The blacks are essentially celebrating fewer jobs, higher crime rates, lower property values, (think Detroit), under the Communistic rule they so wanted to have. The result is the wealth they so wanted "spread around", is quickly disappearing.

For all of this they think Mandela is / was "great". That's the same as blacks telling us today how great Detroit has evolved under Democratic, (Communist), rule. This is all nothing more than pi$$ing on their heads and telling them it's raining, and they're all believing it because they're now being ruled blacks. South Africa did what many nations in Africa have done, and the result is exactly the same. Under white rule they flourished economically, while under black rule they collapsed the economy, simply because people with money can't get out fast enough. Again, think New York, Illinois, and Detroit, who's large tax base that is required to support all these idiots, is quickly drying up. This is all as predictable as rain pouring out of dark clouds. But the blacks don't care because they've got to have their "heroes". The problem is much like here, they keep choosing idiots. All the smart blacks they want no part of, because in they're eyes they've all "gone white", (read become educated and successful).  

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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 08:46:25 AM »
History has proven that many activists and political changers backed by the western world often turn out to be as bad or worse than who we were trying to change.  This brings to mind an entirely different discussion, but for this thread I ask why we bestow such a high honor on a person of questionable method except for political correctness and political gain.

Perhaps our nation should reserve its honors for members of this nation and those closest to us.

Let me throw something out there for consideration:
As we backed Mandella there were actually many charges from South Africa and other nations that he committed reverse discrimination that smacked of revenge rather than correction or punishment.  I also recall that he moved to a very high lifestyle at the expense of those he was supposed to be helping.  Oh, wait a minute, that is exactly what our political leaders would applaud and aspire to  >:(
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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2013, 09:16:29 AM »
You do know he was a member of a "royal family" right?   tribalism adds a whole nother level to the race card.   isn't funny how the leaders of socalist/commie movements were always rich or some how "higher" then the group they reprosent?
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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2013, 09:43:40 AM »
isn't funny how the leaders of socalist/commie movements were always rich or some how "higher" then the group they reprosent?

It's no different here. The wealthy Hollywood elite are all gung ho Communists. You never heard a word out of them when they were struggling to make it. As soon as they did most all of them became instant Socialists. Do as I say, not as I did.

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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 03:38:12 PM »
It's no different here. The wealthy Hollywood elite are all gung ho Communists. You never heard a word out of them when they were struggling to make it. As soon as they did most all of them became instant Socialists. Do as I say, not as I did.

Don't forget to add the "Share the wealth, just not my wealth" part to the picture.
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Re: Half Staff For Mandella...Are You Kidding Me??
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2013, 03:50:37 PM »
Don't forget to add the "Share the wealth, just not my wealth" part to the picture.

yep,  and its ok to take hyour private jet to a global warming event where you are being paid to speak..   ;D  you know small carbon foot print and all....
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