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The BUG Match
« on: February 09, 2014, 07:53:37 PM »
If you DIDN'T know before, then there's no excuse if you watched this show.   KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE FRONT SIGHT.   Practically everybody said it, multiple times.  Youst, Seeklander, Joyce Wilson, Bane.  I bet even Miculek and Jim Scouten would have said it if they'd been interviewed.

AND THIS JUST IN:  HOT NEWS FLASH.  Seeklander carries a S&W Shield.  I feel so validated.   So complete.  So part of the "in" group. 

Seeklander doesn't poo-poo competition and says it is good training.   He also makes it clear that it's pretty easy to distinguish between competition and real life.  Just don't get caught up in thinking the competitive scenarios are the best way to respond.  Real life responses won't be pre-scripted and will very be different from stage scenarios.   (I said that about most of the LEO training I've seen, too.  You don't just stand there and wait to get shot...    MOVE!)
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Re: The BUG Match
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2014, 08:53:46 AM »
If you DIDN'T know before, then there's no excuse if you watched this show.   KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE FRONT SIGHT.   Practically everybody said it, multiple times.  Youst, Seeklander, Joyce Wilson, Bane.  I bet even Miculek and Jim Scouten would have said it if they'd been interviewed.

AND THIS JUST IN:  HOT NEWS FLASH.  Seeklander carries a S&W Shield.  I feel so validated.   So complete.  So part of the "in" group. 

Seeklander doesn't poo-poo competition and says it is good training.   He also makes it clear that it's pretty easy to distinguish between competition and real life.  Just don't get caught up in thinking the competitive scenarios are the best way to respond.  Real life responses won't be pre-scripted and will very be different from stage scenarios.  (I said that about most of the LEO training I've seen, too.  You don't just stand there and wait to get shot...    MOVE!)

Thanks Alf!

Your comment at the end (I edited to red) is what I dislike about the video trainers.  I am waiting for the simulated training to go on the move.  When we get law enforcement at the range to help them I see that most are either flat footed, they love a Weaver stance as if the "smaller target" provides them with cover, and when they do move it is to walk straight at the target.

In my opinion, all trigger time, if done properly, is valuable.  Adding movement and timers adds to the value, and realistic situations (IDPA) is even better.  That said, I like the idea of training by using IDPA courses of fire, but not giving full description or walk through - You are eating in the local Taco Bell, PERIOD!  At that point a moving threat target is activated by the trainer, and the trainee reacts to threats, cover, concealment, "friendlies," agress or retreat, etc.  Time is started when threat is activated, and evaluation is based on time to removal of threat through neutralizing, threat leaving, or personal escape; use of cover and concealment; hits on target, both shoot and no shoot; protection of your party; and shooting safety.
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Re: The BUG Match
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2014, 09:05:47 AM »
Your comment at the end (I edited to red) is what I dislike about the video trainers. 

I went through some of the FATS video training scenarios with one of the newer local police departments and in practically every case a much better outcome could have been had by movement rather than just standing there waiting for the bad guy to shoot.   A lot of these are actually re-enforcing that the only decision is shoot or no-shoot.



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Re: The BUG Match
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2015, 09:34:07 PM »
I agree that while competition can develop good weapon manipulation under stress, it should not be viewed as training for combat. More often than not , mental prep and realistic training(such as FATS or other scenario based) can show flaws and training scars. I DO recommend competing!  Just know that is a game.
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