Obama: I’d like higher gas prices, just not so quickly

[tombogan03884]

M58, Blaming their problems on other is a Ca. INDUSTRY, even if the problem was there, WITH a sceintific explanation, including possible cures, 30 years before the ALLEGED cause.
Back in the 70's, well before China got their industrial rush going, they were talking about boring tunnels through a mountain to "Vent" the smog. Guess the money went to paying benifits to illegal aleins instead.   

[Rastus]

M58, Blaming their problems on other is a Ca. INDUSTRY, even if the problem was there, WITH a sceintific explanation, including possible cures, 30 years before the ALLEGED cause.
Back in the 70's, well before China got their industrial rush going, they were talking about boring tunnels through a mountain to "Vent" the smog. Guess the money went to paying benifits to illegal aleins instead.   

Such a caring, concerned and compassionate people to contemplate pushing their airborne sewage upon their neighbors....tell me it's not true!  Oh wait, I remember that too....you old coot you.  You have made me feel old tonight.   

[tombogan03884]

Such a caring, concerned and compassionate people to contemplate pushing their airborne sewage upon their neighbors....tell me it's not true!  Oh wait, I remember that too....you old coot you.  You have made me feel old tonight.  

Sorry, I'm only a LATE boomer   

[TAB]

batterys cost alot for one reason... the materials to build them cost alot.  That and battery tech has not really changed in a 100 years.

[MikeBjerum]

M58, Blaming their problems on other is a Ca. INDUSTRY, even if the problem was there, WITH a sceintific explanation, including possible cures, 30 years before the ALLEGED cause.
Back in the 70's, well before China got their industrial rush going, they were talking about boring tunnels through a mountain to "Vent" the smog. Guess the money went to paying benifits to illegal aleins instead.   

Yep ... The Beverly Hillbillies episode where someone tried to con Jed into funding the tunnels to vent the smog would be a lot funnier if it hadn't been for living there when the State realized that was their best way to clear the air.  The science is there that the only way to eliminate smog in the basin is to move EVERYONE out.  There is no way any one can live in that area without creating a smog problem.  But, I'm sure someone will get elected claiming they have the magic answer!

I'm surprised that no one out there has found a way to pump the smog back through the pipe lines they use to drain the Colorado River for their use.

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[tombogan03884]

batterys cost alot for one reason... the materials to build them cost alot.  That and battery tech has not really changed in a 100 years.

I heard somewhere (Gun Talk I THINK ) that part of the reason ammo prices went up so much was that Europe was buying lead for batteries for electric cars etc. But Trolleys and Electric trains don't need batteries, they can use power from a central source, like the old Cable cars.

[TAB]

i don't know why lead prices have gone nuts( now copper I understand, but not lead), I just know its actually cheaper for me to buy 12 ga target loads, open them up and take just the lead then it is for me to buy the lead to reload my 16 ga. ( I recycle the powder as well)

[Rastus]

Rant on.   

The US Peso dollar is likely driving prices on commodities more than demand.  Same thing as my oil price rant (subtract market speculation and currency exhange rates and the price would be $50-$60/bbls).  Afte WWII the US benefited, by being on top, by having the world use our currency as the international unit of exchage.  Oil, rubber, copper....commodities in general were all traded in $'s.  That meant that a country had to turn their currency into a dollar to buy a commodity (or most finished products).  Also, when a country received a dollar for a sale, they either used it to purchase something from abroad or exchanged it back into their currency.

Now...since they've been printing so much money (for a large part pumping up the economy with credit) the last few years and have lowered interest rates (except the *^()^&@ credit cards) the dollar has lost ground against other currencies.  The dollar's loss includes a lower and lower percentage of use in the world market.

So now, for instance, a euro is worth 70% more now than it was in 2000-2003.  So, if I'm selling, say, lead on the world market for every $1 I used to get I now need (Euro could be bought for 92 cents, now it takes $1.56) I now need $1.70 to buy the same amount of goods and service I used to buy from other currencies just due to exchange rate.

Not that supply and demand aren't playing a big part....its just that it gripes me that oil should be no more than $60 and we're paying over $135 to people who don't work for it (speculate) and because the $ is in such bad shape.  The politicians just aren't talking about the real causes....are they?

[twyacht]

With China and Cuba setting up oil platforms off Florida, McCain doesn't want to disturb the wildlife in ANWAR, 30 years since a new refinery, Kennedy Clan opposes a wind farm off his MA estate, can't get a nuclear plant built anywhere.

Large shale oil deposits in the upper midwest can't access. What the hell are complaining about? This has had a llllooooooonnnnngggg
buildup to where we are today.

Furthermore, just a couple years ago large SUV's and a pretty woman driving her H2 which will never even see a gravel road, was the latest thing. (with matching handbag).

Why are we shocked?  We have resources here we can't get. That's great..... Barack has an "energy plan?" Oh that will help I'm sure.

[ericire12]

With China and Cuba setting up oil platforms off Florida, McCain doesn't want to disturb the wildlife in ANWAR, 30 years since a new refinery, Kennedy Clan opposes a wind farm off his MA estate, can't get a nuclear plant built anywhere.

Large shale oil deposits in the upper midwest can't access. What the hell are complaining about? This has had a llllooooooonnnnngggg
buildup to where we are today.

Furthermore, just a couple years ago large SUV's and a pretty woman driving her H2 which will never even see a gravel road, was the latest thing. (with matching handbag).

Why are we shocked?  We have resources here we can't get. That's great..... Barack has an "energy plan?" Oh that will help I'm sure.

And proposed oil and gas exploration in ANWR would only affect 2,000 of its 19 million acres, or 0.01 percent.