Bad Moon Rising

[Rastus]

Sadly, yesterday the Oklahoma Legislature passed HJR 1082 which reads "HJR 1082, as introduced, puts to a vote of the people a proposal for a state Constitutional Convention to convene in 2015 and provides for the selection of delegates.". 

Oklahoma, if this passes the OK Senate, will be the 19th state calling for a state Constitutional Convention.

What is bad about this is that when a sufficient number of states have Constitutional Conventions for their state they can continue and effortlessly call for a U.S. Constitutional Convention without consulting the people.  MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS A COORDINATED EFFORT by our "government leaders" to back door a Constitutional Convention on a federal level that is supported by dems and RINOS. 

My own legislator, Sean Roberts, voted for this despite being warned.  His response and reasoning is to pass laws to fix the bad things happening in government....how naïve he is.  If they won't respect the laws we have now why later? 

FACT IS that we may be about to massively lose our rights and U.S. Constitution.  This has been a quiet movement that you guys need to know about...we got blindsided about a week ago. 

When a Constitutional Convention is called "We the people" have no control.  Period.  The delegates can do what they want and don't be so silly as to think you control them or that they will do the right thing.

Our God given rights may lose their Constitutional protections.  If a Constitutional Convention is called do you not imagine what the liberal/progressive/socialists will do?  We can, legally by vehicle of our current U.S. Constitution, become a Communist nation or legally sanctioned Oligarchy at the extreme.

We're fighting with what we have left now to keep this from happening.   You guys need to be aware to help stop or repeal it in your states.

This is Colorado, New York and Connecticut on a truly nuclear scale when it comes to the right to bear arms, have free speech, personal ownership of home and property, being innocent until proven guilty, etc.

[Magoo541]

I don't think this is bad at all.  Look at Mark Levin's book he wrote last year, The Liberty Amendments.  The states will not give more power to the Fed, it isn't in their own selfish interests.  The Federal government has overstepped its bounds for decades and it is going to take a drastic step to hem them in and this is a LOT better than another civil war.  We just need to be involved, like being one of the delegates selected or at least have some input on the selection, so that we can make the intelligent, CLEAR changes that will defund the fed and return the power to the individual states where it belongs.

[mkm]

Matthew Bracken's "Domestic Enemies: The Reconquista" takes a different approach than the book Magoo mentioned. I know it's fiction, but it could happen.

[Magoo541]

Matthew Bracken's "Domestic Enemies: The Reconquista" takes a different approach than the book Magoo mentioned. I know it's fiction, but it could happen.

I know I've read the books, but given the choice between Braken and Levin-I'm sorry-Levin's brain is bigger. 

[Pathfinder]

I don't think this is bad at all.  Look at Mark Levin's book he wrote last year, The Liberty Amendments.  The states will not give more power to the Fed, it isn't in their own selfish interests. The Federal government has overstepped its bounds for decades and it is going to take a drastic step to hem them in and this is a LOT better than another civil war.  We just need to be involved, like being one of the delegates selected or at least have some input on the selection, so that we can make the intelligent, CLEAR changes that will defund the fed and return the power to the individual states where it belongs.

If you honestly believe this, then you have not been paying attention. States will move heaven and earth to get more Fed $$$$$$$$$$.

For example, my own, normally reasonable former state of ND - you know, the one of 2 maybe with a positive cashflow and even a budget surplus every year? - took stimulus money from the Feds, and then had to jump through all sorts of hoops because of it.

I agree with Rastus, this is bad, we will lose the few "protections" that we currently enjoy.

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[Rastus]

We don't have enough conservatives honest people in office to make people follow the law now.  Dems are assaulting conservatives using the IRS and the Repubs are allowing it because the conservative movement threatens their power....and people honestly think it can be fixed with these snakes in control?

Levine is totally off base thinking this can be fixed with a Constitutional Convention.

I mean really, the people who will be selecting those who will attend these conventions are the same ones that put Obama in two times....and someone like Levine thinks this will change things in a positive way?

It's that simple.  To believe that "liberty will rise up" from this is a fantasy.

There is nothing but downside given the current condition of the Republic.

Think...use your head....we've had a "conservative" Republican House, Senate and President back during Bush II and what did that do to "fix" things?  In light of this can anyone honestly believe Levine's dream is legitimate?

Guys this is for all of the marbles.  It has to be gotten right...which right now means no convention.

Is anyone naïve to think that 18 states approval for a "state" constitutional convention is not driven by someone's agenda?  This wasn't a spontaneous happenstance.  It ain't Levine driving it....it's the socialist/liberal/progressives in the dem party steering this thing and the hapless repubs are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

Hapless Republicans....it's what they are...either partner's in crime or dupes.

[tombogan03884]

"We the people" have all the say we have guts enough to enforce .
Mao told you the secret decades ago.
"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun."
And in case people haven't figured it out yet, "We the people" have a hell of a lot more of them than any one else.
If we are "oppressed" it is because we either want to be, or are cowards and deserve it regardless of our wants.

[JC5123]

If you honestly believe this, then you have not been paying attention. States will move heaven and earth to get more Fed $$$$$$$$$$.

Path, you're a NoDaker. You should know better than any of us that your state is the most productive and fastest growing the nation. DESPITE the Fed. Your state is making it's own money hand over fist right now. Do you think that they are going to give any of that up to the Fed? Makes far more sense that they would just take over the Fed land in the state and open up more drilling.

[Solus]

The whole state doesn't have a say in it...just those who are chosen to run the convention and if anyone thinks the appointments will be done in a fair and constitutional way, you are naive at best. 

They are working to get the future of the constitution into the hands of a very small group of people and that deck will have been stacked from way before before the start of the selection process.

Of course our staunch conservative officials will put a stop to all the shenanigans....just like we have seen them doing with all of BHO's actions in flagrant disregard of the constitution.

Of course with the media spotlight that will be on the selection proceedings, all will be kept open and above board and any misstep will be plastered all over the headlines and evening news.....similar to the in depth and watch dog coverage that the Fast And Furious debacle received.

And Tom is only right.  The power is in the hands of the people ... and that power was manufactures by Colt, Winchester, Remington, Glock   , and all the rest. 

The question is:  Do we have the backbone to use our power and keep our freedoms?

A good preview of that answer will become evident with the outcome of the situation on Connecticut.

And as far as the state's self interest goes, their conventions could pass every positive measure the true conservatives want...the only compromise they need to make is calling for a federal constitutional convention.
   

[JC5123]

And as far as the state's self interest goes, their conventions could pass every positive measure the true conservatives want...the only compromise they need to make is calling for a federal constitutional convention.
 

But that is the whole point of this being a STATE convention. The feds don't get a say.