Defense in the Back Country

[gunman1911]

That what I carry of  course there are black bears ,elk and the occasional fool.

[Hazcat]

I carry my Redhawk .45 with buffalo bore loads.

http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#45colt

[TAB]

Buffalo bore makes some crazy loads...  There 44 mag +P+  is just nuts... too bad its longer then a normal 44 mag.

Thier 45-70 "mag" stuff is just scary... 3500+ KE   

[Hazcat]

I love what they say about the .454 casull.  It's enough as is!  LOVE my lever .454, never feel under gunned.

[Ksail101]

I would go with the 1911 followed up with a long gun. I am not the best with the long gun ideas, but the handgun I think I can give you a thought or two.

I would get 1911 with 230gr. FMJ. Now I know everyone is going to scream and say you need a hollow point, but the reason I would go with FMJ is I want to penetration.

The old saying is you might get a 9mm to expand to .40, but a .45 cant shrink.

I want to make sure that when that bear or even person is coming at me the twigs, brush, bone, outdoor wear, and tense muscle that the bullet will have in the way before hitting that organ or whatever, I basically want it to get there. I want the round nose to slide throw the leaves and branches.  Also if you are me you are going to just empty your mag into a running bear so no matter what at least one of the bullets are going to hit square weather JHP or FMJ. Also you will be only using your handgun if your rifle is down or you ran out of rounds. There really is no time for a reload. Just drop the rifle and go for the handgun.

Now this is all hypothetical and I have never been in a mountain fighting situation. So maybe everything I just said it dumb but in my mind if the FMJ is going to make me feel safer than I am going to load that. Thats really the bottom line whatever you feel comfortable with.

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[Hazcat]

I would go with the 1911 followed up with a long gun. I am not the best with the long gun ideas, but the handgun I think I can give you a thought or two.

I would get 1911 with 230gr. FMJ. Now I know everyone is going to scream and say you need a hollow point, but the reason I would go with FMJ is I want to penetration.

The old saying is you might get a 9mm to expand to .40, but a .45 cant shrink.

I want to make sure that when that bear or even person is coming at me the twigs, brush, bone, outdoor wear, and tense muscle that the bullet will have in the way before hitting that organ or whatever, I basically want it to get there. I want the round nose to slide throw the leaves and branches.  Also if you are me you are going to just empty your mag into a running bear so no matter what at least one of the bullets are going to hit square weather JHP or FMJ. Also you will be only using your handgun if your rifle is down or you ran out of rounds. There really is no time for a reload. Just drop the rifle and go for the handgun.

Now this is all hypothetical and I have never been in a mountain fighting situation. So maybe everything I just said it dumb but in my mind if the FMJ is going to make me feel safer than I am going to load that. Thats really the bottom line whatever you feel comfortable with.

Excellent observation!

[TAB]

I would actually not recomend carrying FMJs... here is why, the last thing anyone needs is a  prob with a game warden/ ranger.   

I would also see if there is a barrel lenght req for "hunting".  Game wardens just love to come over and make sure your fallowing the law... I've had it happen to me in ever state I've hunted in.  ( CA, OR , WA, AR, ID, MO and CO)

[Jim Urban]

OT suggestion:

Haz,when you(or anyone else) want to post an extremely long URL,I've found it helps to shorten it with the website TinyURL.

All you do is copy & paste the long URL into the box on TinyURL http://tinyurl.com,click a button and it's automagicly shortened.

For example: your 338 character URL becomes... http://tinyurl.com/3osljd


Now to get back On Topic...

If not hunting,but only carrying for defense,I'd bring only the .45 and 12 ga.

[Ron J]

Provided that you have confidence in the gun, I would say either the 1911 or the M&P and a couple of mags for each. As long as you don't soak your underwear in meat you won't have a critter problem. 

[Hazcat]

OT suggestion:

Haz,when you(or anyone else) want to post an extremely long URL,I've found it helps to shorten it with the website TinyURL.

All you do is copy & paste the long URL into the box on TinyURL http://tinyurl.com,click a button and it's automagicly shortened.

For example: your 338 character URL becomes... http://tinyurl.com/3osljd


Now to get back On Topic...

If not hunting,but only carrying for defense,I'd bring only the .45 and 12 ga.

Thaks jim.  IF I can remember I wikll use this.