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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2008, 06:21:22 AM »
Stablized PVC can not be used for waste or pottable plumbing in the us.  In the contstuction industry its mainly used as electrical conduit.    It also has a limited role in irragation, but poly has pretty much killed that market.

Larger PVC pipes are used in water run off/ drainage. Generally speaking, they are not designed to be water tight. 
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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2008, 06:22:44 AM »
If it gets to the point in this country that you decide it is necessary to bury your tools of liberty, as the only recourse to confiscation, then the opportunity to effectively use them will have already been lost. Forever!
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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2008, 11:07:43 AM »
If it gets to the point in this country that you decide it is necessary to bury your tools of liberty, as the only recourse to confiscation, then the opportunity to effectively use them will have already been lost. Forever!
Mac.

Mac, I have to disagree TO A POINT. That was pretty much how the VC operated, and they were pretty effective AS GUERRILLAS. While it is true that it required the NVA to actually CONQUER  South Vietnam, it was the irregular warfare, an ambush here, a mine there, and a sniper somewhere else, that was most effective, in the hands of the media, in raising the anti war sentiment among the American public that led to our Govt. leaving S. Vn in the lurch. The endless low level conflict led to frustration on the part of an American public, uneducated about this type of warfare, that eventually led to our withdrawal

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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2008, 12:46:25 PM »
I agree with that set of facts regarding the VC brand of warfare, but who would EVER come to the aid of the 2A patriots? The Canadians ?, Mexicans? Obama voters?  No. There would be no reserves to hold out for. The time would never be right to dig'em up and restore freedoms (they would ALL be taken in relentless portions) that had been long lost.

That being said, since Heller is out, we can save time and money on glue, pipe and rented backhoes, and put in some quality blender time. For a while anyway. I think we all deserve a little time off. Especially M&M&M!
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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2008, 07:46:47 PM »
Stablized PVC can not be used for waste or pottable plumbing in the us.  In the contstuction industry its mainly used as electrical conduit.    It also has a limited role in irragation, but poly has pretty much killed that market.

Larger PVC pipes are used in water run off/ drainage. Generally speaking, they are not designed to be water tight. 

I have to disagree, our wonderful city employees are connecting 8" stabilized baby blue PVC pipe into our adjoining neighborhood for potable city water. I will take pics tomorrow and be glad to show you the progress in watertight connections here.

They seal, they bury, and for "storage", its not a time capsule to be opened 50 years from now.  It works, and I'll bet there's some hardcore survivalists in this country with a "stash" in PVC buried in the back country with redundant GPS waypoints and topographical maps to go get later if needed.  OOOOPPs  revealed too much about myself. 8)
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Re: Good advice?
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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2008, 11:34:01 PM »
The blue PVC pipe is something completly diffrent the UV stablized PVC... ( it also comes in green for street drains and purple for reclaim)

They also use rubber gaskets for connections rather then solvents. 
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2008, 03:21:13 AM »
Most plumbing in new home construction is done with PVC pipe and fittings (tee's elbows etc.)glued together including larger diameter septic/sewer runs ( last I knew, copper was still used for HOT water). If water and sh...stuff doesn't come out, it probanbly will not get in.
Got to agree with Mac though, enough survivalism for a while, time for some BLENDERISM  ;D

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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2008, 10:51:55 AM »
PVC is not UV stable, it also does not like warm temps.  Also in larger sizes its very costly( over 4"), it is also very hard to find.  So if you intent is to hide something...special ordering somethig to hide to an object in is not a good idea.
I have to dissagree, in FLA. they make lawn furniture out of it and it lasts for a long time, although it will get brittle in the sum. Just look at your cable guy or any worker who keeps stuff on the top of his truck, you will find a pvc pipe filled with a screw on end, its reasonably cheap and buried will last forever, like land fill plastic bottles.
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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2008, 11:20:15 AM »
Larger PVC pipes are used in water run off/ drainage. Generally speaking, they are not designed to be water tight.

Alright Tab, as the professional dissenter, I know your opinion won't change regardless of facts or experiences from anyone.

Anyway, here's an expert from the Free State Project in New Hampshire named Cope Reynolds, regarding long-term gun storage.

LONG-TERM GUN STORAGE

A question I get asked frequently is, “How do you suggest I store firearms and ammunition in such a way that I would not lose them in the event my house burned down or was broken into or Uncle Sugar wanted to come get them for one reason or another?”

One way is to buy one of the waterproof containers available almost everywhere (and cost too much), slide your gun into a rust-proof storage bag, put it in the container, then bury it somewhere. The method I recommend, however, works just as well and will protect your guns indefinitely.

Buy as much 8-inch PVC pipe as you need from a water/sewer materials distributor. Eight inches in diameter is larger than you will find at any hardware store. Get the kind of pipe designed for handling sewer water rather than fresh water (ask for SDR35). The water pipe works fine, but is unnecessarily heavy and expensive. There are three kinds of caps you can get to seal the ends. One kind is glued on and is permanent, but if you’ve never installed pipe before, it’s easy to miss a spot with your glue and thus allow for leakage. Another kind of cap is rubber gasketed. To use these, bevel the pipe back about 3/4 of an inch with a rasp or grinder, smear an even coat of lubricant on the pipe end (any kind of liquid soap will work), then slip the cap on. If done correctly, the seal will be absolutely 100% air and water tight. The third kind of cap uses a glue-on adaptor with a screw-type plug. You just glue the adaptor to the pipe end and the plug screws in to it. But these are unnecessarily expensive and just about impossible to remove without a BIG wrench. In my opinion, the gasketed caps are the best choice because to remove them, you can hold the pipe between your legs and kick them off or use a rock. No tools are required. To put them back on the pipe, just use a little liquid soap as you did the first time. You should have room for two long guns, a couple of handguns, and a little ammo for each in a 4-foot section of 8-inch pipe. Since scoped rifles, rifles with fixed mags, and even some open-sighted rifles with a lot of drop in the stock may not fit into a 6-inch pipe, spend just a little more and buy the bigger 8-inch stuff.

Now that you have your pipe prepared, clean your guns as you normally would, leaving a very light film of oil on them. Forget cosmoline or heavy grease; Break-Free is my preference. Slip each gun into a breathable case, then put it into your pipe. To make an effective dessicant, put some crushed sheetrock or kitty litter on a cookie sheet and bake it at 300 degrees for about 30 minutes. Fill a sock half full with your homemade dessicant, tie it off, and put it in the pipe. (If you don’t like the homemade method, you can always go spend a bunch of money on special dessicants that some people say you just can’t live without.) Before sealing, keep the pipe in the house for a day or two to make absolutely sure that the interior is as dry as it can be. This is especially important if you live in a humid climate.

Bury the sealed pipe somewhere away from your house, preferably half a mile or more depending on the population close at hand. If possible, bury it vertically in order to present a smaller target for metal detectors and ground penetrating radar. If you must bury it close to your home, try to place it parallel to metal pipelines, under the edge of a metal-reinforced concrete slab, under a fence post, etc.

He provides three options for sealing, and gasketed are better, but the PVC works fine.
Have a good one Tab, can't have everyone agree all the time, than things become monotonous.  ;D

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Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Re: Good advice?
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2008, 11:52:02 AM »
did you read that ?  he actually tells you exactly what pipe to get.  Even going as far as listing a spec.  Not all PVC pipe is the same...


If you read it he says gaskets are easier to install for some one that does not have exp,  which is true.  Most municipalitys also tend to favor gaskets/ bands, Its not for thier sealing abilty, its that they can be disasymboled easly when you have a prob.  It awhole lot easier to un bolt something then it is to cut and regule.

I know nothing, its not like I do this type of thing for a living... oh wait, I do.
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

 

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