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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #150 on: June 28, 2008, 06:15:04 AM »
The one thing I don't understand is they keep saying in the opinion of the majority is basically it is now going to be legal for them to keep and bear arms in their homes. The 2nd ammendment says nothing as to where a person can bear arms. If this is truly for self defense you should be able to carry a gun anywhere. The chief of police for DC has already stated people will be allowed to have registered guns only in their homes. My question is will it be illegal for them to transport them to their homes? And what if you want to go to the range to make sure you are proficient in firing your gun?  Am I wrong in questioning any of this?  I guess this really poses a lot more questions and needs a lot more litigation to determine how it will work.

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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #151 on: June 28, 2008, 06:36:04 AM »
Well established power and control are not surrendered lightly, especially by the greatest oppressors. Even the DC government's approach is perverted. DC residents are not "permitted" by DC law to possess firearms in their homes. Residents have a right to keep and bare arms that will no longer be totally infringed by City government. It is the bare issue that was left for another day in court.

Some Mayors, Chiefs and even Governors will do their best to ignore what has happened and there will be monumental efforts made to circumvent the Heller Mandate. There will be law abiding citizens who fall victim to the entrenched systems of control. There will be a pendulum effect in the reasonable regulation area of law, swinging against the gun owner at first, which will bring on more, and possibly significant overcorrection by the courts. There is still a long road ahead, but a journey begun is half done.
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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #152 on: June 28, 2008, 07:04:49 AM »
As MB and a number of people have said, this is a great victory, but it is only the first step. Lots and lots of work to do.

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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #153 on: June 28, 2008, 07:16:38 AM »
Hey guys,

Congratulations on your victory from Holland

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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #154 on: June 28, 2008, 09:58:39 AM »
Hey guys,

Congratulations on your victory from Holland

Ocin

Unfortunately, if there was ever a town to screw things up regarding firearms, it would be this one. Even with the SCOTUS ruling, as I stated before; There will never be legal CCW in DC, unless your Secret Service, FBI,..etc,... The "Gray areas", regarding transporting in DC to go to a range in VA, have yet to be spelled out. DC wont honor reciprocity, just like NJ, CA, MD, and you'll still be a potential victim on the street unless you carry illegally. Which is what the criminals do anyway.

A few blocks from the White House, is a section of Georgetown, if your white and its night, you stand a very good chance of not making it out of there.  That won't change, :'(

Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #155 on: June 28, 2008, 11:59:15 AM »
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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #156 on: June 28, 2008, 12:02:45 PM »
I'm not sure why Chief Lanier is concerned in the least. Did she miss the Mayor's post-decision speech where he declared that the VAST majority of DC residents supported the ban as it stood? Now that is how Democracy is supposed to work. The residents are now FREE to remain prey.. or not! May they still choose to disassemble their guns, lock them up and render them useless? Sure! Let's see if the Mayor has his thumb on the pulse of the community, or if he has it stuck elsewhere else.
Mac.

Apparently the mayor thinks the "Vast majority" of DC residents are criminals who do not want their victims shooting them.
Considering the Main "industry" in DC he may be right  :(

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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #157 on: June 28, 2008, 12:22:17 PM »
About the Supreme Court Decision
Reply to Colbert I. King's editorial 'Thugs Win the Case'
The trouble with those who would ban guns is simply that you can't ban guns. Criminals are  defined as law-breakers. What law ever stopped law-breakers from breaking the law?
Laws only affect those who obey them. When we are denied the legal right to own a gun, we are left defenseless before those law defiers..This isn't rocket science, folks. 1+1=2 still.
Yet,some pretty intelligent people imagine that with billions of guns floating around the U.S. a law could prevent 'thugs' from owning guns. We've tried that.  Did it work?
I lived in 'gun-free' New York in the 50's. I came to New York with a gun. I left New York with a gun. During the time I lived there my greatest fear was that the gun would be stolen and I could not report that. Legally the gun did not exist. It was clearly the most valuable item I owned as far as any thief was concerned.
I often wonder how many guns are in the 'thug world'  because of 'gun control'.
I still own guns. I know how to use them. I will use them to defend my loved ones or myself.  I respect the gun's power and finality.  I know they aren't  paint guns. All 'gun control' does is control those who own guns responsibly because they live responsibly.
As far as Canada is concerned. Canada is not the U.S. and nay be better off for it. Canada has not been at war somewhere for most of the last century. War does produce guns, you know.  War also produces an attitude that says 'if we want comething changed somewhere, it's our right and priviledge to change it…with a gun.'
It's not easy to reconcile national belligerence with personal passivity. How about 'war control'?  Woops!
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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #158 on: June 28, 2008, 12:55:57 PM »
About the Supreme Court Decision
Reply to Colbert I. King's editorial 'Thugs Win the Case'
The trouble with those who would ban guns is simply that you can't ban guns. Criminals are  defined as law-breakers. What law ever stopped law-breakers from breaking the law?
Laws only affect those who obey them. When we are denied the legal right to own a gun, we are left defenseless before those law defiers..This isn't rocket science, folks. 1+1=2 still.
Yet,some pretty intelligent people imagine that with billions of guns floating around the U.S. a law could prevent 'thugs' from owning guns. We've tried that.  Did it work?
I lived in 'gun-free' New York in the 50's. I came to New York with a gun. I left New York with a gun. During the time I lived there my greatest fear was that the gun would be stolen and I could not report that. Legally the gun did not exist. It was clearly the most valuable item I owned as far as any thief was concerned.
"I often wonder how many guns are in the 'thug world'  because of 'gun control'."
I still own guns. I know how to use them. I will use them to defend my loved ones or myself.  I respect the gun's power and finality.  I know they aren't  paint guns. All 'gun control' does is control those who own guns responsibly because they live responsibly.
As far as Canada is concerned. Canada is not the U.S. and nay be better off for it. Canada has not been at war somewhere for most of the last century. War does produce guns, you know.  War also produces an attitude that says 'if we want comething changed somewhere, it's our right and priviledge to change it…with a gun.'
It's not easy to reconcile national belligerence with personal passivity. How about 'war control'?  Woops!
BarbaraDahms


Welcome to the Forum Barb, Considering how many Ladies are participating in shooting sports your views are severely under represented in this forum, Though Marshal'ette does her best. Now I will put down some thoughts I had about your post.
 
"The trouble with those who would ban guns is simply that you can't ban guns. Criminals are  defined as law-breakers. What law ever stopped law-breakers from breaking the law?"The death penalty. The smart azz comment often made that it sure cuts down on second offenses, bears some consideration as statistics have shown that the majority of violent crimes are commited by "Career criminals" who are often guilty of  dozens of crimes that they are never charged or punished for, as example, Sammy Gravano confessed to , I think it was 29 murders, these were not commited for gratification,like a serial killer, but simply as part of doing his form of "Business".

"Laws only affect those who obey them. When we are denied the legal right to own a gun, we are left defenseless before those law defiers..This isn't rocket science, folks. 1+1=2 still.
Yet,some pretty intelligent people imagine that with billions of guns floating around the U.S. a law could prevent 'thugs' from owning guns. We've tried that.  Did it work?
I lived in 'gun-free' New York in the 50's. I came to New York with a gun. I left New York with a gun. During the time I lived there my greatest fear was that the gun would be stolen and I could not report that. Legally the gun did not exist. It was clearly the most valuable item I owned as far as any thief was concerned."
You are preaching to the Chior, but you said it very well  ;D

I often wonder how many guns are in the 'thug world'  because of 'gun control'.

That is an interesting question, Similar to the Man in the Chicago area, Confronted a burglar and the burglar called the Cops on HIM, as pistols were illegal in that area. This poor guy is going to Jail while the burgalur walks for being "a good citizen" who reported a terrible "Gun Crime".



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Re: DC v. Heller Decision
« Reply #159 on: June 28, 2008, 01:23:31 PM »
Cynic that I am, I maintain that the gun/crime issue is just a smokescreen. Government regulation of firearms is fundamentally about establishing a condition among the populace where the word from the Chief, Mayor, Governor or Congress may be unacceptable or disagreeable, but not debatable. The allusion to fighting gun crime is supposed to be the candy coating to disguise the taste of the poison pill. It is ALWAYS about the power, from both sides of the issue. The power to inflict and the power to resist. It is balance that brings social stability.

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