Man jailed over gun in UGA hotel

[Hazcat]

Gun free zones don't effect crime one way or another... 

just to cut off the mass shooting argument... most mass shooting happen in places where people spend lots of time in... work, home, school, etc.     and yes there have been shootings at ranges, police office and many other places where it is well known there are guns.

Ya know what TAB?  I'm just drunk enough and had a bad enough day to just lay it on out.

Stop spouting leftist BULLSHIT with out any facts to back you up!  I am sick and tired of you not being able to read the simple English of the second amendment and not understand it!

PLEASE post some statistics as to how often (per capita) "mass shootings" happen in gun free zones as opposed to gun rights zones to uphold your inferred premise that they are equal or SHUT THE HELL UP!

[TAB]

do you have any facts to support gun free zones having more crime?

[tombogan03884]

Ya know what TAB?  I'm just drunk enough and had a bad enough day to just lay it on out.

Stop spouting leftist BULLSHIT with out any facts to back you up!  I am sick and tired of you not being able to read the simple English of the second amendment and not understand it!

PLEASE post some statistics as to how often (per capita) "mass shootings" happen in gun free zones as opposed to gun rights zones to uphold your inferred premise that they are equal or SHUT THE HELL UP!

To subtle for you to take a hint TAB ?

[DDMac]

The worst mass shootings in modern U.S. history
Tuesday,  April 17, 2007 3:23 AM


Shooting rampages
The worst mass shootings in modern U.S. history:

• April 16, 2007: A gunman kills at least 32 people at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va. The gunman kills himself.

• Oct. 16, 1991: George Hennard plows his pickup into a cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, then kills 23 people and himself.

• July 18, 1984: James Oliver Huberty kills 21 people at a McDonald's in San Ysidro, Calif., before police kill him.

• Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman kills 16 people and wounds 31 firing from a tower at the University of Texas at Austin.

• Aug. 20, 1986: Postal worker Pat Sherrill kills 14 people and himself at a post office in Edmond, Okla.

• April 20, 1999: Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris kill 12 students and one teacher before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

Sources: Associated Press, Dispatch files

How's this for starters?
Mac.

[tombogan03884]

The worst mass shootings in modern U.S. history
Tuesday,  April 17, 2007 3:23 AM


Shooting rampages
The worst mass shootings in modern U.S. history:

• April 16, 2007: A gunman kills at least 32 people at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va. The gunman kills himself.

• Oct. 16, 1991: George Hennard plows his pickup into a cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, then kills 23 people and himself.

• July 18, 1984: James Oliver Huberty kills 21 people at a McDonald's in San Ysidro, Calif., before police kill him.

• Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman kills 16 people and wounds 31 firing from a tower at the University of Texas at Austin.

• Aug. 20, 1986: Postal worker Pat Sherrill kills 14 people and himself at a post office in Edmond, Okla.

• April 20, 1999: Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris kill 12 students and one teacher before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

Sources: Associated Press, Dispatch files

How's this for starters?
Mac.

What do you know, not ONE at a Police station or shooting range. Where's YOUR list TAB ?

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[tt11758]

The worst mass shootings in modern U.S. history
Tuesday,  April 17, 2007 3:23 AM


Shooting rampages
The worst mass shootings in modern U.S. history:

• April 16, 2007: A gunman kills at least 32 people at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va. The gunman kills himself.

• Oct. 16, 1991: George Hennard plows his pickup into a cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, then kills 23 people and himself.

• July 18, 1984: James Oliver Huberty kills 21 people at a McDonald's in San Ysidro, Calif., before police kill him.

• Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman kills 16 people and wounds 31 firing from a tower at the University of Texas at Austin.

• Aug. 20, 1986: Postal worker Pat Sherrill kills 14 people and himself at a post office in Edmond, Okla.

• April 20, 1999: Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris kill 12 students and one teacher before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

Sources: Associated Press, Dispatch files

How's this for starters?
Mac.

No guns allowed on VA Tech campus

At the time of the Luby's shooting, concealed carry was not allowed in such a business in Texas.

McDonald's was in Kalifornia.  Isn't that whole friggn STATE a gun-free zone?

There were Texans with hunting rifles keeping Charles Whitman pinned down so the cops could cross the lawn to gain access to the clock tower.  LEO weapons weren't able to reach that high.

Post Offices are gun-free zones

Schools are gun-free zones.


Pretty comprehensive list of where mass shootings occur most often.  It's certainly not rocket science that the reason for the high body counts is the fact that the "targets" are denied the tools to prevent themselves from becoming "victims" in these surroundings!!  Common sense tells us that locations such as the Kalifornia McDonald's, as well as the mall in Omaha this past winter, are chosen simply because the bad guy KNOWS that he'll be able to rack up a body count because there will be nobody there with the ability to stop him!!

This is such a "duh!" issue to me that I can't understand why some find the concept so foreign.  Afterall, when was the last time you heard of a mass shooting at an NRA convention?

[DDMac]

As a follow up, I have been present when two shootings at police departments happened. One was in Wilson, NC, when a distraught husband came in to be interviewed regarding a domestic assault and lengthy marital problems. The subject was not searched, as he came in voluntarily. When he sat down, he handed the Detective a note saying he was going to shoot the officer. The subject came in with a suicide plan that was successful. Unloaded gun in his pocket.

The second was in Durham, NC, where a seriously mentally ill veteran (heavy drugs-no combat) opened fire on the Police parking lot with a shotgun. Used birdshot from 200' away, trying to get killed. Captured and hospitalized for years. The street lights and traffic signals sent him messages. Now in half way house.

Neither was what I call a mass shooting as we are using the term.

Mac.

[TAB]

lets see, all those places just happend to be places where the shooter spent large ammounts of time and were people were having some type of prob...   but when it comes to fear mongering groups like the NRA, and brady bunch( yes they are the same in many ways)  facts do not mater, emotion maters.

[DDMac]

Okay Tab, so it's just coincidence. My point is that the shooters were so unrelentingly successful in their mission because no one else there was armed. Every instance I can recall where a potential mass shooting was halted in progress was when an armed opponent engaged the shooter in an otherwise gun free zone. And I have learned there is no such thing as coincidence.
Mac.

[Hazcat]

Let's see.  Here in FL we have malls and churches, and amusement parks etc where LARGE groups of people gather from all over the US and we have not had a mass shooting.  

Of course it is a well known fact that FL is armed....but that couldn't have anything to do with the non-happening, could it.