Author Topic: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl  (Read 16079 times)

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2014, 03:18:48 PM »
I've seen an article, to which I do not have a link, by Allen West and he is positive there is more there than the media is telling and is pushing to be sure the whole mess is investigated...


And about exchanging Liberal Leaders...it need to be a "remains" exchange for the bodies of our soldiers yet undiscovered.
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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2014, 04:54:34 PM »
Hi;

     Barry and Croonies will go down in history as the most corrupt in American political history. What is really going to blow our minds is that Barry is going to write a everyone and anyone Presidential Pardon on his last day in office - then in 6 months to a year later we start to find more scandals that happened on his watch.

     It will takes months/years to uncover and more years to correct.

     Special Ops will be busy and the body counts keep going up.

Yeah, I came to that same conclusion a year or 2 ago. Now, anyone want to bet that the American Taliban Lindt is one of them he pardons?
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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2014, 06:24:19 PM »
My worry is that he won't be out of office at the end of his term.

If half the stories we hear about arming numerous government agencies for armed conflict on US soil, the way is being prepared.

Now, you will notice that with events like the civil disobedience in Conn. and the showdown at the Bundy Ranch and others, along with the continuous illegal acts by the administration tend to keep the civil unrest pot just below a boil...

Could be that close to the election, the heat will go way up, and that pot will boil over into general civil disorder...

Luckily the government has a ton of armed agents in the various agencies prepared to step in to restore order...but first martial law will need to be declared and the elections postponed to insure the safety of the polls and voters, of course.

No telling how long the conflict will last and I'd guess the administration is prepared to stick it out for the long hall...as a matter of fact, I'd guess that the administration is prepared to make sure it lasts for a very long haul.

It is a win-win situation for an anti-American administration.

If the populace becomes so fed up with the travesty, civil war ensues...

If the population capitulates without a fight, the chains are already in place...

At this point, the administration can pack up and head back to their homeland, leaving the US in the throes of a civil war or with  an enslaved populace. 

In either case, no matter what the outcome, the country will be bankrupt and adrift....

Hard to say what the outcome would be even if the majority of the armed forces and all county sheriffs fought for the Constitution if that would be enough to win....I suspect so, but it would not be an easy fight and the destruction might still be done.

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
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"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2014, 06:42:55 PM »
"Hearings" and "Investigations" on this matter will wind up in the same place they did on Fast & Furious, the IRS, and Benghazi........NOWHERE.

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2014, 06:07:07 AM »
"Hearings" and "Investigations" on this matter will wind up in the same place they did on Fast & Furious, the IRS, and Benghazi........NOWHERE.

Maybe not.

Pentagon inquiry in 2010 found Bergdahl walked away from unit, report claims

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/03/pentagon-inquiry-in-2010-found-bergdahl-walked-away-from-unit-report-claims/

But I wouldn't bet on it...maybe 50/50 on a good day.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
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"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2014, 07:34:30 AM »
As soon as he's brought home he should be taken to prison and brought up on desertion charges. He won't be simply because that would bring further embarrassment to an Administration that is already mired in scandal after scandal. He'll most likely get a parade complete with teary eyed parents and relatives.

If anything happens it will be "down the road", long after the news cycle curiosity peeters out. How much are you hearing about Fast & Furious these days? This, much like everything else this Administration handles, has become a total circus. It has done what Obama wanted it to do. Shift focus off the V.A. scandal, and start a new one that won't have the longevity, because it only involves a single American under questionable circumstances that took place a half a decade ago. 

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2014, 08:58:37 AM »
As soon as he's brought home he should be taken to prison and brought up on desertion charges. He won't be simply because that would bring further embarrassment to an Administration that is already mired in scandal after scandal. He'll most likely get a parade complete with teary eyed parents and relatives.

If anything happens it will be "down the road", long after the news cycle curiosity peeters out. How much are you hearing about Fast & Furious these days? This, much like everything else this Administration handles, has become a total circus. It has done what Obama wanted it to do. Shift focus off the V.A. scandal, and start a new one that won't have the longevity, because it only involves a single American under questionable circumstances that took place a half a decade ago. 

Guess you don't remember Bobby Garwood.
Garwood was a Marine Private captured in Vietnam who wound up going over to the Communists and being appointed a Lt in the NVA.
He spent his time trying to co-opt other POW's and after the war stayed in Vietnam well after the US Govt was denying the existence of US prisoners remaining in Viet hands.
Finally in 78 or 79 he got word out that he wanted to come home and was returned to the US.
Remember, this was the middle of the carter administration which, until the current POS took office was considered the most incompetent in US history.
The Marine Corps granted him all his "time in grade" promotions and back pay, he wound up being a Master Sargent, so we're talking a healthy chunk of change .
Then they Court martialed him for desertion, and treason.
He was sentenced to reduction to Private, forfeiture of all pay and allowances (had to give back all that money) and several years in prison.
I don't know how well the media covered the story, but the Camp Lejuene newspaper covered it extensively since the trial took place there.
An incedent that I know did not make the media occured.
Garwood was being held in the base brig.
His lawyer got him released since he hadn't been convicted yet, and his was not a violent offense.
After all those years in Asia, and in the brig he finally got to go into town !
Some one saw him in a cross walk and drove over him breaking at least one of his legs, and on his release from the base hospital he was back in  the brig for his own safety and never got out of custody again until the end of his prison term.
The driver was never charged


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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2014, 09:13:46 AM »
I've seen an article, to which I do not have a link, by Allen West and he is positive there is more there than the media is telling and is pushing to be sure the whole mess is investigated...


And about exchanging Liberal Leaders...it need to be a "remains" exchange for the bodies of our soldiers yet undiscovered.


This may be the article Solus was referring to

http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/objective-military-assessment-bowe-bergdahl-case/

 I am writing this because last night I heard Fox News’ Harris Faulkner refer to Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl as a local hero. I just listened to Bergdahl’s father refer to his son’s character.

So, we must have a discussion of the truth here. Army SGT Bergdahl was not “captured” by the enemy in 2009. He abandoned his assigned post on his Forward Operating Base (FOB), leaving his weapon. Several U.S. Army Soldiers lost their lives in search for Bergdahl. His disappearance can only be classified as desertion and the media must not be so giddy about a good news story that they don’t tell the truth — which is apparent to many. The allegation of desertion is serious. It is grave because it occurred during a war, during combat operations.

The U.S. Army must uphold proper order and discipline and this allegation must be investigated — but the truth is already known. I believe the liberal media will attempt to elevate him to some type of status that will cause the Army not to pursue the right direction under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). We who have served in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other combat areas of operation against radical Islamists know they don’t hold our troops — they are savagely and brutally murdered. They exist to kill Americans.

Are we glad that Bergdahl is home? After five years, yes, but there are many unanswered questions that cannot be dismissed because of emotions.

As well, America has now negotiated with terrorists, because the Taliban is not a nation-state, it is a non-state, non-uniform belligerent organization, a terrorist group. This is a dangerous precedent and was done unilaterally by President Obama.

How many of our troops lost their lives and sacrificed to capture those five senior Taliban leaders? All for naught. I must admit, the only way I would have released these barbarians would have been once a tracking chip/device had been implanted — without their knowledge. I believe there are long-term ramifications that will result from the release of these five terrorists — there was a reason why the Afghan Taliban demanded these five.

And why would we enter into brokerage with Qatar, a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood? I believe we should see them for who they are and cease our air operations from that country.

We all know how the media works — hence why Obama made this move over the weekend, on Saturday, as a matter of fact. The belief is that we will cease paying attention to the story by middle of this week. But we cannot. Bergdahl is home, but emotions cannot allow us to abandon our senses, as he abandoned his post.

Some of you may have forgotten something similar happening during the Clinton administration in the Balkans. I went back and found this in the New York Times by Susan Sachs, May 2, 1999:

    Three American soldiers held captive for more than a month were released today and handed over to the Rev. Jesse L. Jackson for their trip home. On Saturday President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia agreed to free the Americans after a lobbying effort by Mr. Jackson that was not sanctioned by United States officials.

    The soldiers, who were captured March 31, said they had no ill will toward the Yugoslav people and were treated well. Staff Sgt. Christopher J. Stone also said he was thankful for the gesture of goodwill. He and the other soldiers, Staff Sgt. Andrew A. Ramirez and Specialist Steven M. Gonzales, then joined Mr. Jackson for the trip home. After winning Mr. Milosevic’s promise on Sunday to release the men, Mr. Jackson urged NATO to reciprocate by immediately halting further air strikes and opening negotiations on Kosovo.

Of course, the question back then by those of us in the military was, how did these guys get captured and not fire off a single shot or make a radio call for reinforcements? They were taken along with their HMMWV gun truck. The dirty little secret was that they were somewhere they should not have been.

Bottom line, there is always more to the story than what some want you to know — but in the case of Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl, there is a lot to know. The question is, will we allow the typical sound bite liberal media to direct us away from seeking the truth?

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2014, 09:54:06 AM »
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/143680-15-things-need-know-obamas-exchange-last-american-pow-5-gitmo-terrorists/

In spite of these facts, the MSM will again make their boy immune to any flack for what he did.

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Re: The Curious Case of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2014, 12:11:47 PM »
That's the one

Thanks Tom.

This is a good example of how inept BO is....

In the last of a list of illegal actions, BO managed to free 5 top ranking Taliban leaders and bring home an Army deserter to be treated as a Hero.

How stupid and bumbling can BO be?  Doesn't he know that none of that is anything but bad for the country.

If the MSN cooperates and lays in on thick enough, there might be a chance to land the SOB a job in a sensitive position in the defense industry..  Wouldn't be surprised if BO is that dumb too.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

 

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