Unneccessary Force in South Georgia?

[JohnJacobH]

JohnJacobH, I agree with you in your points. I'm not trying to argue against you here.
I guess one of the downfalls to typed forums is the inability to vocalize or express emotion in order to back an issue.
In my own way I was trying to get across that no matter the situation, if one decides to act with force, be prepared to be villified in the media and the courts (in most states).

We have all been in your position.

We pick up the paper and there is some inflammatory story about a poor burglar who had a bad childhood and who is hooked on drugs and is now in dire straits because some mean busybody interrupted him/her while he/she was looting the neighborhood.

As we learn over time the reality is much harsher and more violent and uglier than the Kakistocracy would have us believe.

You titled this thread "Unnecessary Force in South Georgia"; lumped CCW holders in with all gunowners; issued a call to action to somehow stop this so gunowners "do not look bad" in the eyes of gungrabbers; and now admit you no more know the facts than any of the rest of us because "you were not there".

It takes effort to overcome the brainwashing which was inflicted on all of us since earliest childhood and learn to view the world as it exists and not as some romance the Soviet Socialist Left want us to endure.

I hope you will find the resources to challenge the life long learning habits engrained by a powerful cultural propaganda machine and come out into the bright sunshine of the land of the free and home of the brave.

[PegLeg45]

I should have added the question mark at the end of the thread title to begin with.
The whole intention was start a lively debate (think I succeeded?) over whether the shooting was justified, and bring up the difference in state laws for use of force.

It sometimes sounds different in thought than it comes out on screen.
I'm an old hand with a gun...but a new hand at this forum stuff.....I'll get there.

[tombogan03884]

I should have added the question mark at the end of the thread title to begin with.
The whole intention was start a lively debate (think I succeeded?) over whether the shooting was justified, and bring up the difference in state laws for use of force.

It sometimes sounds different in thought than it comes out on screen.
I'm an old hand with a gun...but a new hand at this forum stuff.....I'll get there.

Yes 

[Ocin]

When someone has taken it into their head to violently seize property LIVES ARE IN DANGER. It may not be today, but tomorrow it may be your wife or child or brother or sister or father or mother or hunting buddy.

The road to hell is paved with expedience.

Just saying.

The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions, not expedience. Stopping a small time thief by killing him to prevent him from doing future harm may very well be such an intention.

I believe that it is a sad and poor society where objects are more valuable then a human life, whether that be a very expensive and precious or cheap and worthless object and a very valuable and noble human life or a lowlife scumbag.

Having said that and living in Holland, where there is virtually no gun violence, a society where the people will not defend themselves and those around him/her because of fear of the perpetrator or fear of consequences or cannot defend themselves because of lack of essential items necessary for self defense, is a society that cannot function properly.

Ocin

[kmitch200]

They are invariably armed and hostile to challenge when interrupted in their activities and frequently on an escalation curve from theft to murder.
It takes effort to overcome the brainwashing which was inflicted on all of us since earliest childhood and learn to view the world as it exists and not as some romance the Soviet Socialist Left want us to endure.

You admonish those that expressed an opinion about a news article and then throw this out there like its fact?

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.







 

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[JohnJacobH]

count me out of the "Our" in: OUR ideas of good and bad.   

I've been wrong before...

 

Agreed and stipulated as you wish.

[JohnJacobH]

I believe that it is a sad and poor society where objects are more valuable then a human life, whether that be a very expensive and precious or cheap and worthless object and a very valuable and noble human life or a lowlife scumbag.

Darn tootin right!

Any society that allows children and the elderly and the weak and the helpless to be murdered for the Five Dollars in their wallet or
the costume jewelry in the dresser drawer by predatory goblins who have the attention span of a gnat because their brains are fried on street drugs whose ingredients cannot be replicated by the most sophisticated laboratories has taken complete leave of it's collective senses.

It is very sad and unfortunate  the only option left to a healthy and robust culture when confronted by these feral goons is to be prepared to use such defense as necessary to stop their behaviour and hope they regain their mental balance should they survive the encounter.

No civilized individual sets out to kill anyone. Even if they were to announce such an intention beforehand, the statistical odds it will occur is astonishingly low. Trained individuals can and have missed their targets with shotguns from distances as close as ten feet contrary to what Hollywood and popular television would have their viewers believe.

If you are interested in the reality of these topics there are many people on this board with excellent credentials who will take the time to educate you in various aspects.

But you will lose their attention quickly if you mindlessly repeat the pablum promulgated throughout the 20th Century as immutable truth.

Best regards,

[Rastus]

.....Having said that and living in Holland, where there is virtually no gun violence, a society where the people will not defend themselves and those around him/her because of fear of the perpetrator or fear of consequences or cannot defend themselves because of lack of essential items necessary for self defense, is a society that cannot function properly.

Ocin

To paraphase MB's podcast...there is no "gun" violence.  The gun is not causal.   People cause violence.....

[Ocin]

Darn tootin right!

Any society that allows children and the elderly and the weak and the helpless to be murdered for the Five Dollars in their wallet or
the costume jewelry in the dresser drawer by predatory goblins who have the attention span of a gnat because their brains are fried on street drugs whose ingredients cannot be replicated by the most sophisticated laboratories has taken complete leave of it's collective senses.

It is very sad and unfortunate  the only option left to a healthy and robust culture when confronted by these feral goons is to be prepared to use such defense as necessary to stop their behaviour and hope they regain their mental balance should they survive the encounter.

No civilized individual sets out to kill anyone. Even if they were to announce such an intention beforehand, the statistical odds it will occur is astonishingly low. Trained individuals can and have missed their targets with shotguns from distances as close as ten feet contrary to what Hollywood and popular television would have their viewers believe.

If you are interested in the reality of these topics there are many people on this board with excellent credentials who will take the time to educate you in various aspects.

But you will lose their attention quickly if you mindlessly repeat the pablum promulgated throughout the 20th Century as immutable truth.

Best regards,

Your point being...?

[DDMac]

I understand the law in most States regarding (non)use of deadly force to protect property. What I don't understand is how a victim is supposed to know the intentions of a criminal before it is too late. What the Bad Guy may do during a crime changes with opportunity. That reality is the rationale for the Castle Doctrine, and valid in my opinion.
 
Home break-in suspect killed by police
 

Posted: Aug. 2 11:05 a.m.
Updated: Aug. 2 11:04 p.m.

Rougemont, N.C. — A Timberlake man suspected in a series of home break-ins, two attempted sexual assaults and attempted murders was shot and killed by Orange County deputy Saturday, the Person County dispatch said.

The shooting occurred at the intersection of New Sharon Church Road and Bill Poole Road in Orange County Saturday evening. No additional information was available.

Police from Orange, Person and Granville counties were involved in the search for Christopher Dean Trivett, 32, of Saplin Branch Road.

Police said the burglaries began Thursday after Trivett stole a car from the Wal-Mart in Roxboro. Trivett then went onto break into at least three houses between 10 p.m. Thursday and 3 p.m. Friday, officials said.

According to warrants, Trivett first broke into a home at 290 Brooks Carr Road in Roxboro while the homeowner was inside. The arrest warrants say he stole two 12-gauge shotguns and .22-caliber rifle worth about $1,500 from the home.

Investigators said that Trivett next broke into a home in the Guess Road area in Hurdle Mills that was occupied by two women. He attempted to sexually assault one woman and tried to kill both women, according to the arrest warrants.

Trivett then wrecked the stolen car and abandoned it across the street from 895 Guess Road. Arrest warrants say that Trivett used a shotgun while breaking into at home at that address.

Trivett faces two charges of attempted first-degree murder, one charge of attempted first-degree sex offense and two charges each of first-degree burglary and felony larceny.

Person County Sheriff Dewey Jones said investigators believe the home break-ins were not random. All the stolen weapons have been recovered.

Trivett has an extensive criminal record in Person and Granville counties and in Virginia dating to 2002, according to North Carolina Department of Correction records.

A Virginia court placed Trivett on probation in November 2007 after he was convicted a September 2003 larceny.

Trivett was released from a North Carolina prison in July 2006 after serving nearly 2 1/2 years for a probation violation. He had been placed on probation on July 22, 2003, for a series of larcenies and breaking-and-entering of homes and vehicles over nine days in November of that year.

Trivett was ruled in violation of that probation when he was convicted in February 2004 for a motor-vehicle theft committed on July 10, 2003.

 WRAL.com.