Shoot to kill

[MikeBjerum]

Allow me to say this again:  I am not against punishing those who do this.  However, we are civilized humans, and there is appropriate reaction.  We act to stop the threat, and we act according to the threat presented.  There is a big difference between a car jacking or home invasion, and stealing your parked car from your driveway or pink flamingos from your backyard when everybody is asleep.

If TAB does not get satisfaction from the legal system he has the right to file a suit against the thief.  That is what we can all do to change or correct the system, cooperate with the Courts, and file our own suits when the system fails. 

[tombogan03884]

You'd quietly climb into the cattle car if that were the law.

[kmitch200]

How many people are killed in home invasions and car jacking's every year? How many innocents are beaten in muggings? How many are shot and killed in robbery attempts? All of this happens to law abiding citizens over "stuff", you seem to think isn't worth taking some dirt bags life over. And on the flip side, I'm supposed to feel bad for killing some piece of $h!t because he wants what I've spent a good portion of my life working to be able to buy? Bull$h!t. And it has nothing to do with "anger". It involves common principal.

Nobody said anything about the above bolded actions which are deadly threats. We're talking about an unoccupied vehicle getting stolen. Using deadly force to stop imminent deadly force is quite different than using deadly force to protect property just because of "principal". 

"Liberal tolerance" and "progressive attitude of generosity and leniency" have nothing to do with the discussion..and quite frankly I don't believe I possess either one.
It's called living in real world. In case nobody noticed, it isn't 1840 anymore.
If you think your insurance is expensive, try paying for a criminal attorney in a murder trial.

By some astronomically huge leap of magical thinking, saying that simple theft doesn't in my mind rise to the level of deadly force, that's conflated to: I'm OK or happy! with getting ripped off, mugging is cool, wouldn't defend my home if invaded and are responsible for the degradation of schools, society in general, probably littering and damned kids on your lawn.
Again: If you think your insurance is expensive, try paying for a criminal attorney in a murder trial. Because I (like you) live in AZ where shooting someone for trying to break into/steal an unoccupied vehicle is frowned on. Not just a "tsk tsk" from the neighbors or a warning from a cop not to do it again but PRISON FOR DECADES.   

[billt]

If you think your insurance is expensive, try paying for a criminal attorney in a murder trial. Because I (like you) live in AZ where shooting someone for trying to break into/steal an unoccupied vehicle is frowned on.

This is why we need to change Arizona laws to be in line with what Texas has, in regards to allowing lethal force to protect one's personal property. In fact every state needs to. What good is a law that does nothing but help to keep scumbag criminals alive? If you don't want to get shot and killed, DON'T STEAL!

[billt]

Allow me to say this again:  I am not against punishing those who do this.  However, we are civilized humans, and there is appropriate reaction.  We act to stop the threat, and we act according to the threat presented.  There is a big difference between a car jacking or home invasion, and stealing your parked car from your driveway or pink flamingos from your backyard when everybody is asleep.

If TAB does not get satisfaction from the legal system he has the right to file a suit against the thief.  That is what we can all do to change or correct the system, cooperate with the Courts, and file our own suits when the system fails.

What do you think would have happened in Ferguson the night they read the verdict, if the cops would have shot dead the first 3 looters they saw?

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[tombogan03884]

Bill, He claims to be a "civilized human" that is ALWAYS the claim made by castrated sheep.
They forget that the only thing between "civilization" and the barbarians is people who will kill for what's right, such as life and property.

[kmitch200]

You fall for PC BS and place yourselves at their mercy.
If you don't have guts enough to say what you are thinking you don't deserve any rights.

AND:

You people who are willing to tolerate having some shitbag steal the produce of your labor deserve to be robbed and taxed.
It's your cowardly "tolerance" that has allowed such crimes to become so common.

AND:

You'd quietly climb into the cattle car if that were the law.

AND:

He claims to be a "civilized human" that is ALWAYS the claim made by castrated sheep.
They forget that the only thing between "civilization" and the barbarians is people who will kill for what's right, such as life and property.

Your Internet Bravado bull$hit gets so tedious.
Save it for some 10 year old kid that might be impressed by the blowhard puffed up punk garbage that you think builds up your Man Of Action! deluded vision of yourself. 

I will give you credit where credit is due though...You certainly can talk a big game.

[TAB]

So if it was my truck and enclosed trailer they were taking, should I shoot them?  That is my livelihood. About 250k invested, it is how I feed my family,  I take that very seriously and yes its insured, but it would take months to get it sorted out.  Thats months I would not be earning money.  So yeah I would shoot to kill.

[billt]

So yeah I would shoot to kill.

And you should have that right.

[Solus]

If you were finishing your morning coffee and noticed someone trying to steal your car, would you call 911 and pour another cup and enjoy it while you waited for the law? 

No personal contact has been made and any interaction on your part would escalate it to where that might occur.