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TFox2112

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SBR upper what are the rules?
« on: August 11, 2008, 07:32:01 PM »
I have seen quite a few 11.5" complete uppers on Gunbroker lately, and none mention any SBR stamps or the like. Anyone know what the Federales' rules on complete uppers are?
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Re: SBR upper what are the rules?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 08:03:08 PM »
Quote from: TFox2112 on August 11, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
I have seen quite a few 11.5" complete uppers on Gunbroker lately, and none mention any SBR stamps or the like. Anyone know what the Federales' rules on complete uppers are?

Do the ads say anything about "all NFA rules apply" or anything like that. That would cover it.

Uppers of 11.5" are definately in the SBR category, and one reason they don't mention it is that having the appropriate stamps is your problem, not theirs.
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Re: SBR upper what are the rules?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 08:15:47 PM »
As I understand it, you fill out a form 4, like you would a class 3 weapon, go through the background check, get your form signed off on by the local constabulary, send the money for the tax stamp, and you must dedicate a lower receiver that is marked, SBR or Short Barreled Rifle. Now if you have a lower receiver that you purchased to make a pistol out of, and stated that when you filled out your 4473, the complete upper with the short barrel could be ok, to just purchase, but if you don't have such a receiver, and you do have a rifle lower or complete AR rifle, you could be in trouble. As you have the components to make a short rifle, and no other reason you can prove. The pistol loophole is what allows you to buy one without a form 4. Some people will buy the short upper and permanently attach a flash hider that brings it to 16+ inches, this never turned me on, but different strokes for different folks.
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Re: SBR upper what are the rules?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 09:37:42 PM »
That makes sense. Thanks guys.
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Re: SBR upper what are the rules?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2008, 02:30:19 AM »
I don't think I can get a SBR, SBS, or a suppressor in Michigan, but I can (try to) get a machinegun. Stupid gun laws. I wouldn't mind having an 11.5" barrel but not with a 5" flash hider.

A 14.5" barrel with a pinned on flash hider actually makes sense. The flash hider is in the right place for the ring of a bayonet to go around it. I've seen a birdcage style flash hider that looks like a G.I. flash hider except it's a little bit longer. If you put a bayonet on a 16" barrel it flops around because the ring is around the barrel, instead of the flash hider which is wider.
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Re: SBR upper what are the rules?
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2008, 02:31:06 PM »
TFox, as I understand it, M25Operator has it exactly right. They sell those at gunshows here in Raleigh and say nothing about possible NFA violations unless directly asked. On the other hand, everybody interested enough to buy one already knows about the law and is willing to take the chance. How do I know? Same way you knew to ask. We gun folk share info, don't we.

I happened to be present when one guy who got caught DWI with his AR-15 SBR in the car, went to trial in (Wake County) State District Court. Claimed not to know the deal. He had about $1500.00 in gun and extras on the AR and the jury didn't buy his dumb act. Now, he's got NO guns for life.

Keep it a pistol, pay the tax or stay conventional, IMHO.

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Re: SBR upper what are the rules?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2008, 02:52:24 AM »
There's a Carbon-15 pistol on my wish-list and can't wait to pop in my Beta C-Mag.  :) A 100-round pistol sounds fun. Maybe I'll get it for my birthday but probably not until next year.
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Re: SBR upper what are the rules?
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2008, 06:13:22 AM »
That would be quite a brush cutter Frank. If you could get a shoulder holster, it would look like a cross between Victoria's Secret and Soldier of Fortune.
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Re: SBR upper what are the rules?
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2008, 11:04:42 AM »
Quote from: DDMack on August 18, 2008, 06:13:22 AM
That would be quite a brush cutter Frank. If you could get a shoulder holster, it would look like a cross between Victoria's Secret and Soldier of Fortune.
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Concealed carry for Mae West ?   ;D
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Re: SBR upper what are the rules?
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2008, 04:58:56 PM »
What a Gal !!!! :-*
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