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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2015, 03:10:36 PM »
I don't give a damn about "hearts and minds", or the size of his ego. After 8 years under this worthless chimp in chief, I want someone who can get results, and take out the trash, (read illegals).

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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2015, 03:34:28 PM »
Billt,

l lived in southern California and in Phoenix.  I understand your situation with illegals, and I support enforcement of our borders and cleaning up the mess.

Tom,

Can you share what you know, and where I can find, Dr. Carson's stance on guns?  I have read the 2013 transcript from Glenn Beck that got him in hot water, and I have read the "clarification" statement from a year ago.  His policy statement on his website is a basic "support the 2nd Amendment," but in his November 2014 statement he sounded like a strong supporter.
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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2015, 06:20:00 AM »
The one from 2013 is the one I was talking about. It makes me distrustful that his position should "evolve" along the same time frame as the media fall out.
Trumps position also evolved but over 20+ YEARS, not a few months.
No matter how smart Carson is he has no useful skill for the position beyond being a "well spoken black man".
Where have we heard THAT before ?

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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2015, 04:45:50 PM »
Trump and Cruz are the only ones who oppose amnesty AND support gun rights so the rest might as well go home.
My position since Cruz announced. Trump has changed positions more than Mylie Ray Cyrus in one night stand on too many subjects for me to put any trust in what he says just yet.
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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2015, 06:10:30 AM »
I have 2 reasons for favoring Trump. 1st, His positions have changed, yes, but they have changed over 20 years based on results .
2nd He can afford his own expenses, he is not beholden to party puppeteers which is why media and party both hate him.
Cruz has always held the right ideas and had no reason to change , but he is tied to the party by campaign funding and that makes him vulnerable to arm twisting.

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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2015, 07:06:18 AM »
His positions have changed, yes, but they have changed over 20 years based on results .
2nd He can afford his own expenses, he is not beholden to party puppeteers which is why media and party both hate him.

I agree Tom. Let's face it, who here hasn't changed their positions on various things over a 2 decade time span? I sure have. With time comes experience. With that experience come the ability to better judge people, companies, or even political positions. How many people have changed their positions on Obama? It's in the millions.

With Trump you not only know what you're getting. You also know what it's based on. He not only explains his positions, but puts forth his reasons why he has come to the conclusions he has. Such as wanting to toss out the 11 million illegal invaders, and build the wall to keep them, along with any others out. Millions of voters want the same thing. It's just not a popular position politically, or a politically correct one. Trump doesn't care.... And neither do I. People like us, JUST WANT IT DONE!

The same with financing his own campaign. That is probably more important than ANYTHING else. He has zero reason to bow to anyone, including the Republican Party. He'll run the country the same way he's running his campaign and his company. Based on informed decisions that aren't swayed by votes, cheap labor, unions, other corporations, a biased media, politicians, or lobbying groups who fund every other candidates campaign. He'll give out ambassadorships based on ABILITY, not FAVORS. The same with cabinet positions and other important posts. You can't "buy a job" from him if he never took a dime of your money. When is the last time we had a President who could make uninfluenced decisions like that?

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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2015, 07:56:32 AM »
"Cleaning out the trash".. I truly believe it would take a cattle call for the bureaucrats, donors and parasites to gather in a large, open space, to be given all that they want, (one time offer) work, lie and kill for, and welcomed to the gathering by a first rate nuclear strike.. I don't see the tick invasion as a cause, but an effect. the overrunning by immigrants can be largely dealt with by making it impossible for them (or their employers) to get paid, pay rent, buy food, and so on. Those guys are here because they see the opportunity, (honorable or dishonorable) we all saw, over the last not quite 240 years. They're here for profit and to be masters of their own destinies.
To correct the problem in the future, you've got to bring to heel the guys who allow them to come. Period.
I think Trump is far to insecure and narcissistic to be the President we're looking for.
(To be clear, now.. I've always said that the best "Republicans" used to be Democrats. I still believe that. If you don't know why you hold the ideas you do/"know what you're not", you can easily be led astray. That's true with anything.) You see the spew he's letting off in Iowa now, because he can't take for granted that it will simply come and lie down at his feet. Remember, he's not talking to folks on "the other side", but us.. He's spewing at those of us who believe and want the same things he espouses, but look at him and say "Mmmmm, I don't think so" as the one to hold the line and get it done.
His explanations of the issues, that I have seen, are "It's gonna be "euge"! It's gonna be the best. Trust me! You've never seen such a thing! The foreign policy/middle east stuff he talks about is simply not possible. We can't secure the logistics needed to "go back and take the oil". I'm all in favor, myself, of letting Putin deal with these asshats in Syria and Iraq, but Putin isn't doing us a solid, here. He's serving his own interests, (control of the global energy supply, then price), not ours. If Trump doesn't recognize that now, he's behind the curve. I get Mexico paying for the wall. The proposed solutions all seem to hinge on what he has come to understand as "reality". The problem is that the "reality" he has swum in is the problem for all of us. He is a product of the system. That system has to be blown off the pages of the US Code, till we can see the Constitution again. I don't hear him talk much about the Constitution. He'll be "Our Obama". I don't think we can survive that.
On the 2A, for me personally, (and most, though not all issues), I'm a Cruz guy. "EVEN THOUGH", mind you, that of all the "He would do" candidates on our side, I think Cruz has the least chance of beating Hillary. (I believe that "beating Hillary is more our job than that of the nominee. As it is for the parishioners job to lead people to Christ, more than that of the Pastor. Okay, but if you're a Christian, you get the analogy.) The guy has the personality of a glass of milk. I simply trust the guy on the issues I trust him on. The issues I don't, are second of third tier issues, at this point. No time to major in the minors.
I see our current situation being as much our fault as it is the ones who yank the chains, (and the one who pulls their strings) because I don't like talking to stupid people either! "Who needs that kind of crap in life? Leave me alone and I won't plant you in the garden" kinda thing. We all do it, you know.
Okay.. My brief opinion.. Worth what you paid for it.. Sorry if you're more torqued than you were before.. Kinda part of my charm, it seems..
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Something I'm noticing is the alot of Trump fans are MUCH more touchy when it comes to talking about why or why not. There's alot of snot on alot of keyboards with Trumps name on it. Reminds me of the other side of the aisle sometimes..
God bless, guys!!
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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2015, 08:37:55 AM »
Regardless of whether Santahog approves, Trump has presented definite plans for things like taxes, illegal etc. They are not vacuous ideas, they are solutions that have been successful before.

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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2015, 03:14:20 PM »
Regardless of whether Santahog approves, Trump has presented definite plans for things like taxes, illegal etc. They are not vacuous ideas, they are solutions that have been successful before.
Tom, you don't need my approval, and my opinion cost the same as yours..
We'll see..
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Re: Trump, and the most recent debate...
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2015, 03:50:21 PM »
You were supposed to be getting ready for Church, What were you doing still posting ?
Or did the Mrs. say, "I'll be ready in a minute"  LOL.

 

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