No Election - State of Emergency

[alfsauve]

Several, very public figures, have pontificated about the possibility that BHO will declare a state of emergency and call off the national election.   Recent stories this weekend have brought that possibility up again.

Let's say that happens.   What will happen next?

On the federal level all support (monies) for the election will cease to flow.  Lawsuits will quickly follow to collect matching campaign money up to that point.

On the state/local level I'm guessing elections will continue to happen.  If for no other reason at least to decide state/local elections.  But by this time the ballots will have been finalized and there will be a vote for federal offices on those ballots, including for President.

Meanwhile, some states and probably a large number of organizations will file lawsuits.
Congress, or at least some in congress, will move towards impeachment

What happens next?

Will BHO make moves to prevent Congress from meeting?
Will the supreme court decide before 1/20?
What way will they lean?
Will BHO make moves to prevent the Supreme Court from meeting?
Will BHO attempt to shut down all Federal Courts?
What moves will the federal government take to stop the Electorial College?
Will certain groups of the federal government refuse to honor the Exec Order?
At what point might it become armed resistance?
Against whom?


On an entirely different tack. 

What event will be used to justify a State of Emergency?
How far ahead of the election would this be enacted?  (The day before?  A month before?)
Will the SoE include civilian disarmament?
Will it include take over of the media?
Shutdown of all but a few news sources?
How about the Internet?  Facebook? Email?
Other communications?   Cell Phones?  Landlines?  Ham, CB and FRS Radio? 




Okay, it's just the thought process I go through.   Weird, I know.

[brushmore]

Although I think this situation is very unlikely, it's certainly not impossible.  More likely "worst case scenario" that happens is that everything goes on as normal but just enough election fraud is done to have the establishment's chosen candidate win the the electoral college.  Anyone that challenges this is branded as a nut job, gets thrown in jail and/or suffers an "accident" if they don't shut up. 

[tombogan03884]

October surprise ?
All communications would be shut down except maybe ham radio's.
No difference in the media, they are nothing but the propaganda arm of the liberals anyway.
Disarmament is basic step one, armed resistance on any large scale is doubtful because "the People" are a bunch of damned sheep.
Just like Nazi Germany.

[Solus]

This would be BO declaring Martial Law.  Any legal or political action against  his orders will not be tolerated.

Questing is:  Will the Armed Forces support his assumption of power?

We has heard about military officers who would not fire on US Citizens being replaced by those who would...or, hopefully, by those who said they would.

If the military does not act to stop  him, that will leave the citizens with two choices:

  1. We submit and be come subjects
 or
  2. We revolt and the US is engaged in a Civil War.

 

[PegLeg45]

I've had similar thoughts, Alf....and the more I see around me and in the news, the more the potential rises.


We have multiple cases of "suspicious looking men" making bulk (60 to 100) purchases of prepaid cell phones in multiple cities on the same day.

Over the last month we've had two Afghan exchange soldiers at a military base fifty miles from me absconded from the base mere weeks before they were scheduled to depart the US for home. They are supposed to be allies, training here to take the education home, but if I were to try to infiltrate the US security system, that's how I'd do it: get vetted via Homeland Security or DoJ and then drop off the map after I got here.
There may be no danger, as the military says...BUT, the next time we see them may be just before they blow up a building.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/12/10/2-afghan-airmen-still-missing-ga-base/77123726/

It makes it more believable that forces ar in play to "make something happen" at just the right time, as planned by the puppet-masters.


I'm going to go make a new foil hat now......Be vigilant, folks.

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[tombogan03884]

Bear in mind that both the revolution and the civil war were actually the culmination of years of planning that already had organization and leadership in place.
For example, in both cases the first "revolutionary" military forces were built on existing militia structures that had been infiltrated and controlled by the dissident   factions.
We don't have either the groundwork or leadership.

[r_w]

And the military leadership has been gutted so a coup is unlikely. 

[Solus]

Bear in mind that both the revolution and the civil war were actually the culmination of years of planning that already had organization and leadership in place.
For example, in both cases the first "revolutionary" military forces were built on existing militia structures that had been infiltrated and controlled by the dissident   factions.
We don't have either the groundwork or leadership.

I see the best chance for leadership to come from county Sheriffs. 

They are elected so are not as likely to be puppets of the powers that be.

The county is a good size and they already have and organization in place that is armed and operates it's own communication network.

They are likely to know which other counties in the area are like minded.

They can deputize citizens as needed which would give some measure of legal standing.

[vincewarde]

And the military leadership has been gutted so a coup is unlikely.

If you look at the history of military actions against civilian leadership, Many are not lead by generals, but by Colonels and even Majors.  The lesson for any American leader planning extra-constitutional action is that controlling the generals is by no means enough.  Indeed, our military is loyal to the Constitution above all, casting a great deal of doubt upon the ability of what amounts to a coup against the constitution to succeed.

Furthermore, do not forget that internally, state governors control a lot of military power.  Under circumstances of any president attempting to stay in office and/or seize total power, how many National Guard Units (including Air Guard) would refuse to be federalized?  Furthermore, state governments could raise militias relatively quickly and join together to oppose such extra-constitutional action.  It should also not be assumed that only "red" states would join this effort.

The bottom line, IMHO, is that taking such action, without starting a civil war, is practically impossible.  In fact, a civil war would likely be the best such a president could expect.  A much more likely result of such an attempt would be the arrest of all supporters and a very quick impeachment.

Remember, we have had one civil war - and in that case the issues had taken a long time to develop and it was not about a president staying in power.  In fact, the South never even tried to keep Buchanan in office past the end of his term.  I really do not think that the US military would be willing to go to war against state forces (and likely US army and Marine units that defected to the side of states defending the Constitution) in order to keep an unpopular president in office past his term.  I think the outcome is nearly a forgone conclusion.  That is why I think it will never happen.

[alfsauve]

Remember, we have had one civil war -

Some will dispute that it wasn't a clasic "civil" war as the South wasn't trying to over throw the US government. It's why many refer to it as the war of northern aggression.