No Election - State of Emergency

[alfsauve]

I'll be hosting a Lt Col, army, next week at the house and I'll get his take on it.

[Solus]

The bottom line, IMHO, is that taking such action, without starting a civil war, is practically impossible.  In fact, a civil war would likely be the best such a president could expect.  A much more likely result of such an attempt would be the arrest of all supporters and a very quick impeachment.

I feel it is likely BO's goal isn't to rule the US but to destroy it.  He likely would view a civil war as the goal he was hoping to achieve.  That conflict would open the US to the requested invasion by any military force BO chose. 

Capitulation and submission would just be a lower cost, but not expected, achievement of the goal of destroying the US. I'd expect he'd "retire" as soon as the war was underway and hightail it to someplace safe.

The arrest of the supporters would be ideal.  It will take a strong cadre of the military to do so...but that is entirely possible. 

I remember some years ago when the Russian military refused to fire upon civilians. If they can find that kind of backbone in that police state, I'd expect our military to overwhelmingly do so also.

[TAB]

We have had 2'civil wars actually.  One of the keys seceeded, declared war, surrendered, applied for aid and got it.

[Rastus]

Several, very public figures, have pontificated about the possibility that BHO will declare a state of emergency and call off the national election.   <snip>

What happens next?

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Should that happen, this coup de gras, which is underway, will accelerate and will happen next:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/44vzMNG2fZc

OK....How do I embed this Youtube...?

[tombogan03884]

I remember some years ago when the Russian military refused to fire upon civilians. If they can find that kind of backbone in that police state, I'd expect our military to overwhelmingly do so also.

The 1991 coup that brought Yeltsin to power.  Mao said " All political power comes from the barrel of a gun" This proved that sometimes the power comes from the guns NOT firing.

I agree with the person who pointed out the influence of County Sheriffs, and we seem to be blessed with some really good ones around the country. However, their influence will be limited to a localized area and lower level organization, companies, and Battalions. Mid level military officers will influence the choices of the 20 something kids forming the Army ranks, the enlisted ranks, with the exception of a very few will stick with their friends and familiar organization regardless of issues . However, don't write off the Generals and Admirals. Obama has relieved a bunch of them and screwed several others like Pasteur. Something to think about is that none of them are publicly raising a stink the way MacArthur, and so many others have in the past. If they aren't talking publicly, you can bet the farm they are talking privately. They are a source of credibility, leadership, and administrative experience .
I don't completely agree with what Vince Warden posted about State troops, it will probably work out that way in unified states like Arizona, Texas, New York, and California, (2 for each faction) but in most cases it will be more like "Bleeding Kansas" . It will not break down as state versus state, but more like producing rural areas versus consuming cities, primarily white tax payers versus primarily non white tax consumers. This is where Sheriffs will play their biggest part, getting control of their counties for one side or the other.

The person who posted that it is not covered in the Constitution isn't right. The oath of office, specified in the Constitution includes the words " threats foreign and DOMESTIC" for a reason. The founders didn't want an excessively long document, and they did not want to jinx their experiment, but they DID include provision for an armed remedy.
My train of thought has derailed so I'll end now and wait for the replies.
(I'm passed because I typed for 30 minutes and then hit a wrong button and lost it all    )

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[PegLeg45]

Here's an irony that struck me today (as I was looking up movie times for the new Star Wars) while reading  this thread: The whole Star Wars saga mimics the potential of what some believe is going on inside our gubmint..... one person (or small group of people) controlling both sides of the fence in order to further an agenda. Playing both sides in order to stir both fear and civil unrest, or outright conflict (race is a good issue for this) in order to step in and "fix" the "problem"...you know, for the good of the people.

[dipisc]

Hi;

     I would not count on Barry trying to do any of this stuff.  There are just too many people in the Military,CIA,FBI and DOJ that have had enough of him and his cronnies and are just waiting for the election to be held.

     Should Barry and his cronies try anything like this would end in an assasination of Barry and later trials for his cronies. Somebody in the Gov't would take his butt out !

     I would even bet that the liberals in the Senate and House of Rep's would not stand for it - they would have too much to loose by being eventual co conspirators etc.

     A temporary military option would be possible with direction from the Senate and House of Rep's with the Supreme Court to be told to butt out of this one ( or else ) !

     Besides, once we have 2 nominees/candidates on the ballot(s) running from the rep's and dem's - their name will be on every State election machine or paper voting ballot. State Governors will proceed with elections despite any so called "state of emergency" ! The "cry" from the people would be too overwhelming even for Liberal Governors to ignore !

[TAB]

would never happen...  he may have room temp iq, but its not bellow freezing.

[Ulmus]

I'm not worried about him pulling this stunt.  I remember when Bush W. was President and all the Libs were freaking out about Cheney pulling the same sort of stunt.  (Not sure how a VP could do it, but...)

Anyway, what I've noticed is people seem to get hooked on the person in charge and not the political machine behind it.  These political machines change the names to keep the illusion that we are getting new people.

The Machine that gave us Obama gave us Bill Clinton and is now trying to deliver his wife.

The Machine that gave us George W. gave us Bush Sr. and McNamara.

Look behind the names.

The biggest concern for the GOP is if Trump gets the nomination.  If this happens, Hillary will win it.  Trump appeals strongly to the very Right, but scares the middle.  Elections are won by the middle and they see him as way too extreme.

[Rastus]

I dunno Ulmus.  The left is fairly disinterested in Hillary...oh she has the party push...but think a leftist Romney or McCain....not a lot of enthusiasm for here.

The middle I know isn't scared of Trump and is increasingly seeing the silliness portrayed by the media as well as the striking double standard.

Seems on the left, on the right, both sides are sick of the establishment.

I never like a candidate, like Romney and McCain, who were going down the same road as the left albeit a bit less of an incline.

All this having been said, people want a leader.  A leader can persuade and "lead" people where they would normally not tread...maybe Trumps that guy. 

You can be sure of this, I won't be voting for a Christie, Bush, Kasich, Rubio, etc.  I'll stay home....I'll be 60 when the vote comes around and I have had it with being used by "conservatives" who are really democrats.  I heard some of the same stuff about Reagan...he's too far right he needs to compromise...he'll get us in a nuclear war we'll all be dead....it's the end of the world....but he did lead the people and pulled them away from the disaster Jimmy Carter was.  I am not deifying Reagan...he did things I believe are clearly not right...but he did lead and people did follow and patriotism rose along with American Prestige across the world..