Poll - Ultimate Fighting Handgun ----> Glock vs 1911

[TSB]

I have one but never use it.  I agree with the back of the magazine, works like BUTTER!!!  Or a flat back pocket knife, or a butter knife or what ever other thing you happen to have around.  When you need one, you never have one!  So improvise!!!

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[kmitch200]

So you don't know what would happen if someone took 10 1911s apart, mixed up the parts and put them together? And you just threw that "good luck" comment out there anyway? Am I getting this right? Have you tried it with Glocks and know it will work, or are you making that up too?

During the transition period for PD switching to Glocks, dept. armorers did just that.
All the G17 parts in piles and put back in the guns without any care except for the right part going in the right place.

I'm curious - isn't military small arms wrenching geared toward "get the guns to go bang and get them out of here".
You state you've never fitted a part in your Army days. Isn't that more a statement of the military mindset of "if parts break or wear we just replace them"?  Properly fitted, wouldn't the parts last longer? OK, mil-spec 1911s can work. But at what cost to the parts and their locking surfaces?
Hell, I had to have the thumb safety on one of my (new) Colts fitted just so it didn't feel like mush when operated. Yes, it worked - but it wasn't "right".

[TAB]

You really can't compare the fitting of 1911 parts with any modern firearm.

They were designed with CNC in mind, the 1911 was designed for manuel machinging. 

[TexasAggie01]

The only guns I've ever seen that need a barrel bushing wrench were the premadona race guns. [note: like my target 1911 (RecoveringGT'er)] If your a sissy the front of th base plate for the mag works perfectly to depress the spring... its like it was designed to do that or something 

Exactly. I've even heard of using the follower of the mag for pushing out parts as well...

You really can't compare the fitting of 1911 parts with any modern firearm. They were designed with CNC in mind, the 1911 was designed for manuel machinging. 

Something like that. To be interchangable, the 1911 parts had to fit pretty loose. Hence the WWII and onward rep for reliability, or accuracy, but not both without extensive 'smithing. It's like comparing a modern revolver to 1873 Colt. The modern has been simplified in design and the parts can be made to tighter tolerances, but it's still a design based on different methods.

[PegLeg45]

You really can't compare the fitting of 1911 parts with any modern firearm.

They were designed with CNC in mind, the 1911 was designed for manuel machinging. 

+1

Also to add to that, the original 1911 design was for battlefield use. It had to be as close to 100% reliable as possible. Battlefield reliability in those days meant 'loose'. Accuracy was a secondary concern. If you could consistently hit a an 18" x 18" object, it was battlefield accurate.


We can't get manuel to do any machinging around here.....
too busy mowing.

I know,.....Groan....

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[ericire12]

+1

Also to add to that, the original 1911 design was for battlefield use. It had to be as close to 100% reliable as possible. Battlefield reliability in those days meant 'loose'. Accuracy was a secondary concern. If you could consistently hit a an 18" x 18" object, it was battlefield accurate.


We can't get manuel to do any machinging around here.....
too busy mowing.

I know,.....Groan....

You must never have served in the military! Why do you think there are 1,000,000+ uses for duck tape out there? LMAO!

[PegLeg45]

You must never have served in the military! Why do you think there are 1,000,000+ uses for duck tape out there? LMAO!

No, never served in the military (their choice, not mine, I tried and their doctor said "no"), but I have been in several SHTF situations and I agree with you 100% (if I am understanding your point) that NOTHING under the sun is 100% reliable, (except maybe the failure of something when you really need it to work). That's why I said "as close as possible".
 

Yes...when all else fails...grab the roll of '100mph tape'......

[TAB]

No, never served in the military (their choice, not mine, I tried and their doctor said "no"), but I have been in several SHTF situations and I agree with you 100% (if I am understanding your point) that NOTHING under the sun is 100% reliable, (except maybe the failure of something when you really need it to work). That's why I said "as close as possible".
 

Yes...when all else fails...grab the roll of '100mph tape'......

no,  there is one thing that is 100% reliable... if I need a part for what ever( car, gun, boat.. you name it) and it could be one of two parts, it will always be:  The one they don't have or the most expesive... 99% of the time its both.   

[Hazcat]

90 mile an hour tape in my day.

[PegLeg45]

90 mile an hour tape in my day.

Yes, the world haz sped up somewhat.....