Boogerhook-free Bang Switch Engagement

[crusader rabbit]

Young female competitor was shot in leg while her pistol was in the holster.  Her hand was not touching the pistol. 

View video and discuss amongst yourselves;

Crusader Rabbit

[Timothy]

Scary...  I owned a revo 35 years ago that I bought used...a dangerous gun, at best.  I sold it quickly but in retrospect I should have had it destroyed!

[Big Frank]

I'm trying to remember what mods I've done to my guns. I put a Cylinder & Slide series 80 trigger pull kit in one Para Ordnance pistol. All the parts were coated with what I'm fairly sure was titanium nitride. It's a smoother surface so it makes for a better trigger pull but AFAIK all the angles and other dimensions were the same as stock. I'll have to think about this some more.

[PegLeg45]

I'm trying to remember what mods I've done to my guns. I put a Cylinder & Slide series 80 trigger pull kit in one Para Ordnance pistol. All the parts were coated with what I'm fairly sure was titanium nitride. It's a smoother surface so it makes for a better trigger pull but AFAIK all the angles and other dimensions were the same as stock. I'll have to think about this some more.

Jumbo, you should be OK with a kit like that. The series 80 safety system works off the trigger, but doesn't affect the sear engagement, so as long as you didn't also do a lot of file work to the sear and hammer mating surfaces separately from that there really shouldn't be any danger.

Where folks get into trouble is with tolerance stacking. They change just a "little bit" on several different things and it all adds up to a defective and/or dangerous gun.

I saw a guy at a PPC match twenty or so years ago that had "lightened" his trigger on a S&W revolver so much that he had actually glued a pencil eraser to the inside of the trigger guard behind the trigger. When the gun was cocked, the trigger rested against the eraser and that prevented it from firing on its own. I asked the RO about it, and he said they had no formal inspection process because the event was a local unsanctioned match. My friend that was along with me collected up our effects and high-tailed it off of the premises. 

I've also seen too much geometry work cause a pistol to go full auto.

[billt]

I think this is a lot of the issues concerning the whole Remington 700 trigger problem as well. Too much kitchen table gunsmithing.

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[Big Frank]

I've stoned a couple of sears to smooth them out but tried to keep the angles the same. No problems so far in doing that but PegLeg is right about people changing this and that until it is a problem.

[Timothy]

I took my Ruger SP101 stock trigger group and deburred, smoothed all the edges and buffed things up a bit but never touched the sear!  Springs were swapped and tested and it took a few pounds off the stock pull.  No problems but I'm very, very careful and would not do more...

[TAB]

that's scary.

I have done the stoning thing, but never reshaped.


that could happen to any one of us. 

[Conagher 45]

I have always believed in a through cleaning and maybe some polishing of parts to make smooth contact, but never have stoned off material. I just like to shoot a lot to let things smooth and settle in on their own.

[billt]

I have always believed in a through cleaning and maybe some polishing of parts to make smooth contact, but never have stoned off material. I just like to shoot a lot to let things smooth and settle in on their own.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have never stoned a trigger. Most all of the triggers on my guns that were "a little rough" out of the box, all improved after 500 or so rounds downrange. I've also accepted the fact high dollar guns don't always come with triggers that break like glass rods. In fact the best trigger of any gun I own is on my $250.00 Marlin X-7 in .223. The trigger is unbelievable on that gun. It's a copy of the Savage Accutrigger.

In contrast, one of the worst triggers that "got better", is on my Browning Hi-Power. It was horrible out of the box. The gun now has around 350-450 rounds through it, along with a few cleanings and lube jobs. The trigger on it has improved A LOT, just by shooting it. Some patience, and little ATF in the right places, along with a few boxes of shells, can sometimes really improve a crappy trigger.