SIG P320

[alfsauve]

Nothing new, that probably hasn't already be reported.   Got to take mine to the range.  Only had time for 100 rounds.  Barely got her warm.

First:   Good sights.  Nice sized white dots.  Probably the best set of 3 dots I've seen.  Now I also know that sights are easily replaceable so they really aren't a buy/no-buy deal breaker on any gun.   Kinda like paint when buying a house.   But for the record these are quite nice.

Second:  The magazine only has witness holes for 5, 10 & 17 rounds.   Really?   Glock has them for every round, though they're hard to read.  S&W M&Ps are so much better with easily readable holes on either side.    Okay, I realize that an "Operator" just wants to know if they're full, half or near empty.  But most of us, I think, would be happier to be able to get an exact count.

Weight and Heft:  I've been dry firing and comparing the 320 with the G17 and M&P all week and thought the SIG was top heavy.   So I took all three apart and weighed them.  Now remember the G17 is an inch longer barrel and the M&P is about 1/4-1/2" longer.

The Sig has the lightest slide and barrel of the three which makes sense because it's the shortest.  But it also has the the heaviest grip/action !   (All three are 17 round mag length.) So why does it feel top heavy?   Maybe it's not top heavy as much as it's FRONT heavy, as in it has a more forward COG.   I'll do some more testing.   Oh and the grip is hand filling.  It's 5.5" circumference for the third finger.

Oh, yes, shooting.   Smooth.  Great feel.  Same recoil as my M&P.    Less spongy trigger than the M&P.   Accuracy was better than the G17, but not quite what I could do with the M&P.    It was a short test.

Overall, shooting the G17 is like driving a stripped 68 VW Thing.  The Sig and S&W are more like an Impala.


I'm very happy I took my "free" Glock and traded it in on the P320.  It'll be my iron sight IDPA SSP (if it fits the box) and the M&P Core will be the optic one.

[Conagher 45]

Dang it Alf , I shot a 320 compact in .45acp during my last range qualification, just messing around I got a one ragged hole group at 7 yards.  I went home but didn't tell my other Glock pistols that I had been with a Sig 320 that day, felt kinda ashamed and a little cheap and dirty.

Now after your glowing range report I've been rethinking about getting one.
Guess I'm a gun slut after all.   

[Majer]

We're all gun sluts,otherwise we wouldn't be here.

[alfsauve]

We're all gun sluts,otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Well, duh.

[alfsauve]

So I check COG on these three semi-autos.

As a percentage of slide length from the front, 50%, 56%, .49%.  No big difference.  So, no the Sig isn't front heavy.   

Still feels like it's top heavy when I heft it.  I'm not saying that's a bad thing.   I just want to know why it feels that way to me.  With a full magazine, the COG moves back and down of course.       

Probably all I'll do with the Sig for a little while.    I've got the first ICORE match coming up in a week.  And I'll need to buy magazines for it.     There might be an indoor IDPA match that I could get to to try this out.

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[alfsauve]

Now that my eyes have been replaced, I got to the range for the first time in months.

Put 250 rounds through the P320 without a hitch.    So far so good.

Went looking for a  "small" grip.  Evidently Sig is a little behind in getting the various size grips out the door.  Took a while to figure out what come with what.  Here's a short course.

Barrel / Height         
FULL SIZE 4.7" / 5.5"
CARRY 3.9" / 5.5"
COMPACT 3.9" / 5.3"
SUB 3.6" / 4.7"

The Grips do actually vary in circumference, which is something I've been asking for.   I guess a year ago when I asked a sales rep, he didn't understand or didn't know that.

Grip Circumference
Large - 5.5"
Medium - 5.375" ~  I don't actually have one to measure right now.
Small - 5.25"

The different models, (Full, Carry, Comp, Sub) have different length fore ends (dust covers).  It's possible to mix them up and having a dust cover too long or too short.  I know one pro who gets the longer grip, puts it on the shorter barrel and cuts off the excess.

Since small and medium grips are in short supply, I was able to score a Compact Small for my Carry today from Sig.   If I really like it and the short dust cover is a bother I can always get the right one later.  They're only $44.

Wait till you see what I discovered on their web site.  Next Topic.

[les snyder]

Alf... your center of gravity problems may lie in the fact that SiG barrels typically sit relatively high in comparison to the grip location

new topic... my 7" AR 9mm upper came in... fun to shoot... was unable to control the muzzle blast of the 7" 5.56, so changing barrels to the 10.5"... stay tuned

[Big Frank]

Alf... your center of gravity problems may lie in the fact that SiG barrels typically sit relatively high in comparison to the grip location

new topic... my 7" AR 9mm upper came in... fun to shoot... was unable to control the muzzle blast of the 7" 5.56, so changing barrels to the 10.5"... stay tuned

Our military decided about 50 years ago that the 10" barrel of the XM177E1 was too short. I always thought that would be a good length for an AR pistol. Anything shorter probably has too much muzzle blast in 5.56mm.

[Solus]

Our military decided about 50 years ago that the 10" barrel of the XM177E1 was too short. I always thought that would be a good length for an AR pistol. Anything shorter probably has too much muzzle blast in 5.56mm.

God, it has been 50 years....thanks, Jumbo   

[les snyder]

Jumbo.... my source says that Special Forces is switching to the MK18 (10.3")... of course they have options depending on the mission requirement...