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tombogan03884

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BLASPHEMY !
« on: April 08, 2017, 01:03:14 PM »
John Moses Browning gets far more credit than he deserves .
There where many other designers as, or more , prolific than he was .
Krnka, the Shmiesser's, father and son, and Mannlicher for a few.
 Where JMB scored was in the engineers who took his prototypes and turned them into marketable products.
Andreas Shwartzlose built a pistol in 1898 that could have been every bit as good and eternal as the 1911 but the engineers failed to turn it into a product that could be inexpensively built so it fizzled.
The same thing is really true of the Luger. Stoeger tried to reintroduce it but it could not be built cheaply enough to be competitive angainst 2nd and 3rd generation designs.
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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2017, 02:15:44 PM »
You, sir, are one competent crap-stirrer of the first order.

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JMB!!!!!!

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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2017, 03:10:26 PM »
It's something Ian  brought up on "Forgotten Weapons" in the last Q&A session.
JMB would bring in a prototype of a gun then company engineers would take it and simplify the design for mass production and build tooling to enable machining at a reasonable price.
Those were the people who made possible things like the pocket 1903  and the turned the rather flawed model of 1900 into the trials winning design adopted in 1911 .
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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2017, 09:57:31 PM »
TAKE IT BACK!!!
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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2017, 10:45:03 AM »
This is how it works Tom.  It isn't about just having a good or the best idea or design.  It is about moving it through from a brain fart to actual use.  When I was in high school, vo-tech, college, and in continuing ed classes, I constantly learned of ideas with great potential that did not make it to the end, because of under capitalization, lack of PR, or choosing the wrong engineers, manufacturers, or promotion people.

Right Item, at the right Time, in the right Place = label as Best.
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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #5 on: Today at 04:57:21 AM »
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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2017, 04:21:12 PM »
There are a lot of ideas whose original inventor couldn't get traction on the product.   Later another inventor, or someone reusing the original idea, is able to get traction and have the idea go viral.

I tend to think of JMB more in light of the M2, the Woodsman and the Hi-Power.
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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2017, 08:46:39 PM »
One place says the M2 .50 cal. machine gun was developed by John M. Browning at the request of the U.S. Army, and another place says it was developed under his supervision. Whichever is right JMB was still responsible for it.
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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2017, 08:50:10 PM »
JMB  is actually a Glock fan ;D ;D
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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2017, 08:52:21 PM »
Quote from: Ranger Dave on April 09, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
JMB  is actually a Glock fan ;D ;D

Now THAT'S blasphemy.  :o
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Re: BLASPHEMY !
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2017, 05:54:04 AM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on April 09, 2017, 08:46:39 PM
One place says the M2 .50 cal. machine gun was developed by John M. Browning at the request of the U.S. Army, and another place says it was developed under his supervision. Whichever is right JMB was still responsible for it.
 


Yes he developed the M 2 at the Army's request.
He developed it from his own smaller .30  machine gun which was basicly the same gun only smaller.


Quote from: Ranger Dave on April 09, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
JMB  is actually a Glock fan ;D ;D

BURN HIM AT THE STAKE !  ;D

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