Sig Over Glock?..... Not So Fast.

[billt]

https://bearingarms.com/beth-b/2017/05/18/sig-sauer-gun-malfunctions/

This is not the kind of advertising a gun company needs.

"A $2.5 million lawsuit has been brought against firearms manufacturer Sig Sauer by the New Jersey State Police....."

"The state police spent $1.7 million for 3,000 Sig Sauer P229s and another $865,000 on holsters from another company. The agency wishes to be reimbursed for both costs, which they are out of....."

"The state police ended up buying Glock 17’s with SafariLand holsters....."
 

[Pathfinder]

Old news, came out about a month or so ago. In their counter suit, Sig noted that the PD had used different ammo than was specified when they sold them the guns. That and a training issue IIRC.

[billt]

I think it was more than just ammo. It appears they never found a solution to fix the problem. Hence the big, "We want our money back", lawsuit. New Jersey had to find their own "solution" by purchasing Glock 17's. That's the part that got me the most. They don't seem capable of fixing it.

If it were a simple case of defective parts, and they rectified the problem by identifying and replacing them, then all is well and good. That can happen to any manufacturer of durable goods. How many motor vehicles get recalled and fixed every year? This however, seems like more of a case of, "Cash For Clunkers".

[billt]

Another thing that got me was the cost of the holsters. $865,000.00 for 3,000 holsters divides out to $288.33 per holster. Nowhere near the $10K toilet seat, but enough to question, that's for sure. In Sig's defense, they shouldn't get stuck with that one. Do any of these people in government, who have the financial authority to procure this equipment, possess a single ounce of common sense?

And if they purchased more than 3,000 holsters, fine. I can't believe they actually expect Sig to pay for all the extras.

[Solus]

You would think that an agency spending tax payers $$ would do some extensive testing of a product before they spend $1.7 million

And if they did do that testing and it passed, what is different in the delivered samples?

If they did not do the testing, they have little grounds for wanting the holster cost reimbursed....but if they did do the testing, they would have a good case for that reimbursement.

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[tombogan03884]

The problem only occurred with training ammo, never with duty ammo.
It's all on NJ for buying shit ammo for training. Sig bent over backwards replaced extractors and ejectors then replaced the pistols with no change.
 That's ammo, nothing else.
Probably shit reloads with out of speck rims.

Another thing Bill is missing is that Sig already did refund their money.
These anti gun douche bags are just trying to scam some more money like a "slip and fall" law suit.

[TAB]

Any bets on rather or not the cops get hollow points.

[billt]

The problem only occurred with training ammo, never with duty ammo.
It's all on NJ for buying shit ammo for training. Sig bent over backwards replaced extractors and ejectors then replaced the pistols with no change. That's ammo, nothing else.

Did they say what brand of ammo was causing the problems? What exactly is..... "shit ammo"? I've fired pretty much everything there is that's brass cased in 9 MM, and never had any issues with any of my guns, Sig included. These guns should run well on any ammo....especially FMJ. Which is generally considered to be, "training ammo".

I just went to the range yesterday with my 2 new S&W's, and they ate everything I fed them. Even super cheap Serbian PPU. It was filthy, but it ran fine. Something doesn't pass the smell test here. According to the article.... "The firearms malfunctioned with both practice and duty ammo."

https://bearingarms.com/beth-b/2017/05/18/sig-sauer-gun-malfunctions/

[TAB]

If tgey were using low power reloads, it can cuase all kinds of probs.   I have seen people "chase" the lowest power load that can cycle a gun.  I know one guy that made it dow to 2.x grains for a 45acp

[billt]

If tgey were using low power reloads, it can cuase all kinds of probs.   I have seen people "chase" the lowest power load that can cycle a gun.  I know one guy that made it dow to 2.x grains for a 45acp

I'll buy that. Low power reloads will for sure impede reliable cycling. But that can be fixed with something as simple as a change in powder, or charge weight. The guns wouldn't need new barrels, extractors, recoil springs, and God knows what else.