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Re: Liberty Ammo
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2017, 07:46:31 PM »
By using 165 grain bullets in .45 ACP rather than 230 grains I have a weight savings of 65 grains per bullet. Times that by 14 rounds per mag and the difference is 910 grains minus whatever extra amount of powder is used. I didn't calculate it exactly but if I'm not mistaken that would be about 1/4 pound difference per mag. 75 grains per bullet would be a huge difference from that.

ETA: I grabbed my calculator and came up with 1,240 grains less bullet weight in an 8-round mag with 75 grain bullets vs. 230 grain. I think that's about 5.5 ounces. 
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2017, 07:54:51 PM »
1240 grains is about 3 ounces...

1oz is 437.5 grains
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Re: Liberty Ammo
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2017, 10:07:32 PM »
don't overlook the weight of lead needed to produce a bullet that would completely fill the bore's circumference.... it was my perception when I was fooling with cast bullets, that bullets that had a bearing surface (bullet length) less than the diameter of the bore would not fly straight....that is why I shoot heavier bullets in my 9mm, though some 155 grain .45 bullets left "cookie cutter" holes in targets

super velocity bullets like the KTW bronze projectiles were turned out of less dense elements than lead... you still need to penetrate, and f=ma
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Re: Liberty Ammo
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2017, 10:18:30 PM »
Quote from: Timothy on August 06, 2017, 07:54:51 PM
1240 grains is about 3 ounces...

1oz is 437.5 grains

Thanks Timothy. For some unknown reason I was thinking a 230 grain bullet was a little over an ounce. I knew it was just over a half ounce but I had a brain fart so everything I thought I had figured out was wrong.

My full size Para with a 15 round magazine loaded with 230 grain bullets and one in the chamber would be just over a half pound of lead if I'm not screwing things up again. (15+1)x1/2. Add to that the weight of the brass and powder and it's even more. When I bought the 13+1 frame kit they said the alloy frame with 14 rounds is supposed to weigh the same as a steel frame and 8 rounds.
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Re: Liberty Ammo
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2017, 12:04:53 PM »
Liberty ammo makes the carry of a full size gun much nicer.  It's accurate enough for me and I'm not too worried about penetration.   I like the frangible aspect.
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Re: Liberty Ammo
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2017, 12:26:48 PM »
My 9mm only has 8 round mags, limited to ten by law unless pre-94.  Won't make a big difference but the speed and frangible characteristics are interesting.
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Re: Liberty Ammo
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2017, 12:46:28 PM »
250 ft/lbs of ME from a standard pressure .380 sounds like a winner to me. The muzzle energy of all the loads I looked at was quite a bit higher than typical ammo. I bet it would kick butt out of a carbine too. One of my local gun dealers sells Liberty ammo. I should pick some up the next time I'm on that side of town.
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Re: Liberty Ammo
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2017, 05:25:49 PM »
I don't see a big energy difference in .38 from the Hornady +p stuff I carry.  The 9mm is quite a bit higher.
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Re: Liberty Ammo
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2017, 10:59:40 PM »
I was looking at calibers I'm most likely to use, .380 ACP and .45 ACP, and they look good. Out of curiosity I checked out 10mm which has some impressive numbers. I didn't even look at the .38 Special until now and it has the same exact ballistics as the .380. I wonder if it's a misprint? The .38 is standard pressure but still seems kind of weak. If they made it in +P it would probably have more energy than other +P ammo.
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Re: Liberty Ammo
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2017, 06:00:29 AM »
I just saw yesterday where Liberty is making 100 grain 30-06 ammo.  The muzzle velocity speed on it is 3,500 fps.  That's smokin' hot.

On sale for $29 here:  http://palmettostatearmory.com/animal-instinct-30-06-springfield-100gr-hp-ammunition-la-ha-c-30-06-042.html

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