"Obama: "We're Not Going To Mess With" Americans' Guns"

[Ron J]

There is absolutely NO chance that Obama will win the election. Not because of his race, whatever that may be, White, Black, Arab, whichever. Not because of his stance on issues, or lack of. Not because he is a socialist with out any comprehension of what America stands for. And not because he has no leadership or managment experience at all, (which might be REAL handy if you are running the most powerful country in the world ). The reason Barak Husein Obama will lose the election is that Americans will not vote for a bastard.

Brother Tom, I do not share your optimism.  B. Hussein Obama is very capable of winning the election.  He needs to step on his Pelosi a few more times for me to be more comfortable with the “point spread”.   

[Marshal Halloway]

Obama and the Democrats - Gun Control European Style
 
The left has, for the past few years, been doing everything they can to calm down gun owners trying to make them believe they are safe under their governing control. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have stated that they are not going for the guns and that they respect the second amendment. Here is the latest statement from Obama on the CBS web site:.

“Now, the NRA sometimes... their general attitude is look, we don’t want anything, and if you even breathe the word ‘gun control’ or ‘gun safety,’ then you must want to take away everybody’s guns. Well, that’s just not true,” he said adding that illegal guns are his concern, not those used for sportsmanship.

During Clinton's campaign Hillary came forward with her "hunting experience" and if you do a search for more pro-gun comments from liberals, you will find that most comments related to guns and the second amendment are about hunting and sports shooting. Supporting owning a gun for self defense is avoided.
 
The real truth is that they don't support the second amendment at all. They don't support the personal God given responsibility to protect yourself. This individual and personal responsibility is something they want to regulate and be handled by the government and law enforcement. This is a part of so many other socialistic measurements where the state becomes the parents and we the people become the teenage children who cannot be trusted to be home alone.
 
The more I study the secular-progressive movement in the US and especially gun control, I see more and more the resemblance to European gun control. I have some breaking news for those hunters and sports shooters who feel safe under the what I call... Obama's "Guns for Sportsmanship Protection Act".

Here is a bullet list of how European shooters and hunters experience gun control. And I KNOW what I am talking about as I lived all of my life in Europe.
 
* Sports shooting and hunting organization are heavily governed and regulated by government agencies.
 
* Shooters and hunters are required a mandatory membership and affiliation in local and national organizations who administer shooting programs and hunting regulations.
 
* All guns have to be registered by local and national authorities.
 
* An individual has to "justify and prove his need" for a firearm for hunting or shooting purposes when applying for a gun purchase permit.
 
* If a registered sports shooters wants a firearm for sports shooting and the particular gun or caliber is not on the approval list of his/her shooting organization, it's a No.
 
* If a sports shooter applies for a second or third firearm for a specific shooting program or a type of hunt,  he/she will experience a No with the advise of selling the guns he/she already has in the gun safe.
 
Folks, this is just a small part of how sports shooters and hunters in Europe are "protected".
 
If you don't like this style, then stay away from any party and politician who wants to hide their agenda by the type of phony remarks as given by Obama. Democrats have learned a lesson, they can't dismiss the needed support from gun owners. So, they invite sports shooters and hunters to support them. If this support leads to victory, the next step is """sensible gun legislation""".
 
Politicians of the likes of Obama and Clinton may say they respect the Second Amendment, but they don't define it as an individual freedom. They define it as a privilege that should be regulated under the umbrella of common sense.  Not OUR common sense, but the Government's common sense.
 
The result will be gun control, European Style.

[tt11758]

As I recall, B-HO also assured jews that they had his unequivocal support for Israel, but said something completely different to the palestinians.

B-HO is a typical politician......if his lips are moving he's spewing bullshit.

Also, I've said it before, but I'll say it again......ironic how the "agent of change" picks a running mate who's been a Washington insider for about 100 years.

[Hazcat]

You my friend, posses and underused wealth of knowledge, experience and writing style.

We the shooters and hunters in the US, need to hear more of your common sense.

[ericire12]

“Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’

Hot air reports the quote a little differently, and might I add it is a whole lot more telling!

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/06/obama-i-couldnt-take-your-guns-even-if-i-wanted-to/

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[Teresa Heilevang]

[DDMac]

There is a reason the Obama Senate staff was made welcome at the Chicago ATF Division office for familiarization with the Agencies current firearm enforcement programs and priorities. There is a reason why last May, the same Special Agent in Charge welcomed Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr., and staff, for a show and tell on the range with "illegal" guns. There is a reason why the Joyce Foundation, the Children's Memorial Research Center and the Legal Community Against Violence members were given a hands on opportunity to fire "assault weapons" and pretend to be ATF Agents making a forced entry on a dwelling.

The ATF supervisors' agenda is likely just anticipated additional Congressional funding.. and self-promotion. Both are long standing behaviors of successful bureaucrats. The real concern is the gearing up of the attendees to spring into action as soon as Obama throws them the keys to the Federal Gun Control Corvette.

Federal agencies have an absolute duty to walk a line of objectivity when it comes to avoiding political entanglements. There are many instances where ATF has earnestly worked with the NRA and NSSF to resolve regulatory and enforcement issues for the benefit of all concerned. You may have even had a chance to ask them a question or two at the SHOT show or NRA Convention.

If they were listening, I would caution them to exercise good judgment in the providing of information as opposed to currying political favor. The first policy leads to long life and Agency prosperity, the second leads to the fate of all traitors to the Constitution.

Mac.

[brosometal]

With my job I have the opportunity to listen to a lot of the "evil talk radio".  As I was listening today, Mr. Obama and a new buddy, Ray Schoenke of the American Hunters and Shooters Association had a radio spot.  I should say that Ray Schoenke had a radio spot that was "approved of" by Mr. Obama.  Mr. Schoenke's message:  Obama and McCain are the same on guns (hardly and roughly 2 seconds of the spot), but more of the same message that the B-HOs have been spouting that, "McCain-is-four-more-years-of-Bush" drivel.  I am not too familiar with the American Hunters and Shooters Ass. (abbr. on purpose), but if they are a lining themselves with the tool bag from Illinois I am highly skeptical.  After a bit of research, I found that it is running in several "battleground" states.  If you haven't heard it here’s a link: (http://obama.3cdn.net/7e507fa12a37964e5b_ffm6va8pw.MP3) 

Has anyone had any dealings with American Hunters and Shooter Ass.?

Another pisser:  "McCain's false attacks on Obama" with no substantiation.  Who is that ad supposed to work on? 

Another Obama "False Attacker" bitterly clinging to my guns
Brosometal

[Hazcat]

AHSA is a known anti gun organization started by some ex brady people.

[brosometal]

AHSA is a known anti gun organization started by some ex brady people.

I'm not a big joiner, but am usually aware of most orgs.  Hadn't heard of this one and was very wary. 

Just an aside, but FL is trending more and more McCain.  I was suprised to even hear the spot here.  I had read somewhere that Ole B-HO was pullin' out of FL because of it.  Time will Tell