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caged buffalo hunt
« on: September 18, 2008, 01:52:52 PM »
fellas how many saw cowboys last nite. sure was sad to see them shoot that tame buff. i am a sportsman and that sure wasnt what we need to show our young that, that was ok. i made my little ones leave the room.i dont see the differance from shooting that buff and shooting a cow.if you are willing to stand for that we as sportsman are in trouble. i begg you tostand against this,i for one never want to see this again

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Re: caged buffalo hunt
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 01:59:51 PM »
TROLL ALERT!!
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Re: caged buffalo hunt
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 02:06:34 PM »
It's okay, Haz...we can take the heat...this one is particularly funny, however...send the kids out of the room, maybe to McDonalds for a big ole burger! But hey, to each their own...here's the apology...

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Dear sir;

In light of yours and other comments, I would like to apologize for the recent buffalo hunt episode of COWBOYS. The responsibility is mine alone, and I acted against my own better judgement in allowing it. It will not happen again. The problem is that no buffalo "hunt" is a hunt in the sense of an elk, deer or antelope fair chase hunt.

We should have certainly made clear that this was a "culling" rather than a "hunt," which is a legal and quite popular activity. Most large buffalo spreads, including Cook's Bison Ranch (an avid supporter of SASS, which is how this project came about), routinely cull their bulls when they reach a certain age and disposition. Let me make something very clear...the only "free range" buffalo hunts I know of in America are in conjunction with park herds (which are hardly "free range" as we might think of free range), including the Yellowstone herd in the state of Montana, which issues limited by-lottery tags for buffalo who stray outside the Park, and the cull of specific large bulls at Custer State Park in South Dakota.

The rest of the buffalo in the U.S. and Canada are ranched exactly like cattle, to the same end as cattle. Buffalo are meat animals, slated to be "harvested," which is a modern euphemism for "killed, butchered and sold to market." Virtually every "buffalo hunt" we looked at were in fact harvests taken from ranched herds. Buffalo are and never were like elk or deer...buffalo "hunting" even in the old days was less of a question of fair chase as we now use the terminology as a shooting exercise. Current buffalo herds on even the largest American ranches are as hard to track as, say, a train.

The buffalo Tequila shot at 100 yards was slated to be killed because it had become a danger to horses and ranch hands. All parts of the buffalo were used, as is the case with any harvested animal. I was concerned that the open ranch land of Indiana would send the wrong message — as indeed it did! — when compared to the less obvious fenced ranch lands in the West — but to be sure, they are all fenced! — but I made the decision to go ahead with a reenactment of an old days hunt.

Again, if you were offended by the show, my apologies. I hope it doesn't change your overall view of COWBOYS. In the future, hunts we film for any of my shows will be "fair chase" by the strict definition of the wording and we will not participate in culls.

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Re: caged buffalo hunt
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 02:12:17 PM »
TROLL ALERT!!

Ahhhhhh ... This forum has made the big time!

Twice in two days admonishments have come to our little world.

The only thing I can say to this is 1.  Do you understand how the majority of Bison hunts are done in the U.S, and 2.  Did you listen to the entire dialog and understand that this was a reenactment type hunt to provide meat for charity.  I do not recall anything in this program leading us to believe that this was actual open plains stalk and hunt.  I have researched several types of big game hunts, and I had no problem understanding that this was nothing more than  a method of culling an animal from the heard while giving a sportsman a chance to understand what it was like to harvest the animal with a period type weapon.
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Re: caged buffalo hunt
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 02:17:12 PM »
Damn ....

Michael typed while I typed.  Even more amazing is that my understanding of what happened was what took place.

Michael, I don't see anything wrong with showing this type of harvest.  It is a legitimate type of experience for many that have limitations.  The only thing I would say is maybe a little more education as to what these types of things are all about.  If you back off on this completely what will come next?  Will you not show competitions where a target could represent a person?
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Re: caged buffalo hunt
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 02:31:04 PM »
never said that the meat was going to be waisted,we eat a lot of god animals,but if you guys take part in this you need to keep this type of (hunting)to your self. i would be ashamed to tell any one i took part in this. and gtell your freinds that you are not man enough to hunt a real fair game animal       TROLL

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Re: caged buffalo hunt
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2008, 02:59:19 PM »
I never heard of anyone shooting a buffalo in a cage before. When and where exactly did this happen? If it's just like shooting a cow, then what's the problem. You have to kill them before you can butcher and eat them. They don't just die on their own whenever you want them to, but maybe we can convince some to commit suicide.
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Re: caged buffalo hunt
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2008, 03:05:08 PM »
Nobody shot a buffalo in a cage...sigh...we culled out a ranch bull...just so we're all clear on this, animals get to be meat by being dead. A "bolt gun" to the head or a vintage rifle, I suspect the animal doesn't care one way or another. I definitely don't want to wade into the morass of what is and is not "fair chase" — although I will readily agree that no buffalo hunt in the United States today meets the criteria of "fair chase." Nor do, strictly speaking, a lot of preserve bird hunts or high fence hunts.

But for an animal born and raised to be killed and butchered, going back to the earlier question, the animal is going to die, does it matter how? Is it somehow better that the kill takes place off-screen, behind the closed doors of a slaughterhouse, and that our next contact with the "animal" is in a neat, hermetically-sealed plastic package...or on a menu? Ironically, I do think it matters how the animal dies, and lives...as much as I love turkey, I will only eat turkey that has been hunted or turkey from a farm I have direct knowledge of, because I think animals ought to have a life of some sort before the harvest. But that's a personal choice (Farmer Frank James and I have argued about this very subject more than once!).

On the humanoid target issue, however, that's a battle I've already fought...and won!

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Re: caged buffalo hunt
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2008, 03:16:27 PM »
If there wasn't a buffalo in a cage then why is the name of this thread, "caged buffalo hunt"? You can't just make up a name for something and pretend it exists, like "assault weapons", and make an issue out of something non-existent without expecting some backlash from people who DON'T have their heads up their collective a$$. Is that some kind of 1984 Orwellian double-speak? Or some kind of extreme left Socialist version of a Jedi mind trick? If you say it, that makes it real, and that makes it a problem? Yeah, right.
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Re: caged buffalo hunt
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2008, 03:25:17 PM »
Frank! I totally agree!

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