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Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« on: January 14, 2021, 10:45:13 AM »
I'm in the middle of watching season nine of the series, and we're something like 8 years after the fall of civilization to the "zed" hordes. As I watch, one thing grinds my gears over everything else:

What are These People (actually, the writers and show runners) Thinking?
  • The most common weapon for zombie elimination, now that ammo is mostly gone and reserved for emergencies, is a small-to-medium-sized fixed blade knife. WTF?
  • They're stabbing a dangerous creature in the head, with an inadequate tool, not far from the most dangerous part (the teeth), and their hands are bare?
  • A few characters use spears, and a small number of swords are in evidence, and bows are finally appearing with some regularity, but with very few exceptions, that's it.
  • There are serious problems with knives:
    • A typical hunting knife is barely adequate, at best, for punching a hole in a zombie skull, even though that cranium is probably weaker that that of a living human.
    • It's a very short-range weapon, bringing the user into close proximity with the threat.
    • A knife offers no means of creating space or blocking attacks: it is a purely offensive weapon, while the people in TWD are frequently outnumbered and fighting defensively.
Some Suggestions:
  • Get some better knives! A few characters, like Daryl, use large, sturdy knives that have a guard to keep the hand from sliding onto the blade. Blacksmiths could imitate something like the Roman pugio or the Japanese hori hori. This last is a simple, very sturdy Japanese gardening knife that can have a thick blade that is sometimes shaped like a very shallow trowel, and is meant for digging and plant trimming. It's also very tough. My hori hori is thick-bladed, tough, and well made. It was also inexpensive and came from Japan. It would be my choice for facing Zs with a knife, though I'd add a good guard and make some changes to the handle for its new purpose.
  • Add some polearms! A fairly short, two-handed weapon -- like a poleaxe, naginata, hewing spear, flail, or maul -- offers a great deal more power for the task. In the Society for Creative Anachronism, I used an English billhook: a martial version of a gardener's brush hook. I quickly learned that I needed little force to strike a serious blow. Contrary to what we see in movies, I never swung 180 degrees -- heck, I rarely used a 45 degree arc. This makes the weapon quicker than people expect, and it keeps it in front of the fighter, making him or her less vulnerable to counterattack. A poleam -- even a short (4- to 5-foot overall length) polearm -- allows the user to keep some distance from the opponent. Less risk of being bitten. Moreover, the butt and the haft of the polearm can be used to block, strike or shove an opponent. Look how effective Morgan and Henry have been with a staff! Put a small axe blade and spike on one end, and even more things are possible.
  • Use shields! Small- or medium-sized shields are easy to make, not hard to carry, and multiply the options for the person using one. Rather than having an empty hand, a shield can be used to block, to trap (prevent a strike, rather than blocking it), to shove, or to strike -- with the flat of the shield, with a shield boss (a raised metal dome, usually at or near the middle, often with a handle behind it), or with the edge. Smaller shields are used actively, rather than hiding behind them passively. Some methods include a large dirk or dagger in the shield hand, or a spike in the middle of a small roundshield, and/or a metal-reinforced edge. A small round, like the highland targe, can probably do more damage to a zombie than most of the knives we see on the show.
  • Work together! We see some of this on the show, but the survivors should have figured this out long ago. The Roman Army had several key advantages, but one of the biggest was an organized, systematic approach to combat. If a Roman century, legion or other unit could deploy in formation to meet a foe, they could often defeat more numerous opponents. Now imagine the survivors facing the Zs with a line of fighters with shields and short swords or one-hand clubs or maces, whose job is primarily to tie the zombies down and make them easy targets for spear users behind them. Other fighters with bows and other missile weapons work the flanks and rear of their group, protecting the others and picking off Zs that try to go around the line. Ideally, the line would be deployed in a place where the flanks are protected by rocks, water, buildings, whatever.

On the positive side, we've seen armor being worn from early in the show, and it has improved and now looks much more practical as the show progresses. The concept is simple: protect the places that tend to get bitten most, like the hands, forearms, neck, shoulders and face.

I know this is silly, but I wish TV writers did more research. Instead, we see characters behave in super-risky behavior over and over. Only rarely (Carl Grimes is a recent example), does their usual, dangerous, grab-and-stab method turn out badly.

Sorry for venting! The show's gotten better, but in nine seasons I can't remember a single shield! Really? The folks running the show would probably be shocked to see how a highlander's targe, dirk and sword are used together by a skilled fighter.

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Re: Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2021, 11:30:10 AM »
I am sure I am not alone when I tell you that my wife will run me out of the living room when I start bitching about inaccuracy in weapons or inconsistency in the plot. I have noticed that shows/movies that are supplied weapons by Independent Studio Services seem to be a LOT more accurate.
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Re: Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2021, 03:00:15 PM »
Maybe they should ask the director of "Vikings" for some advice   ;D

Ian has a couple good video's on movie guns . Selection, origin and such.
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Re: Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2021, 09:59:07 PM »
But really, there should not even be a story more than a couple of weeks after people turn into Z's.  With the heat and the bugs there would be no flesh left....just bone.

Not to ruin it for you guys....but down south the maggots would take those Z's out quickly.
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Re: Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2021, 01:45:18 AM »

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Re: Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2021, 01:13:44 PM »
But really, there should not even be a story more than a couple of weeks after people turn in Z's.  With the heat and the bugs there would be no flesh left....just bone.

Not to ruin it for you guys....but down south the maggots would take those Z's out quickly.

Yep.
What about buzzards and possums?? ....once they can't walk they're fair game. 8)
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Re: Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2021, 02:05:59 PM »
But really, there should not even be a story more than a couple of weeks after people turn in Z's.  With the heat and the bugs there would be no flesh left....just bone.

Not to ruin it for you guys....but down south the maggots would take those Z's out quickly.
That's one of the reasons I consider it silly! Plus, how do huge herds maintain the energy to stay on two feet, shambling along? Even when they encounter "food," only a small number can reach it. What keeps them going??

I actually prefer the zombies of John Ringo (Under a Graveyard Sky, To Sail a Darkling Sea, Islands of Rage and Hope, and Strands of Sorrow are the four 'core' books), which are rabid bundles of rage, but not actually dead. It's a bit gross though: the designers of the virus included a symptom that gives the infected the feeling of something crawling on them (there's a medical word I don't remember for that), so they discard their clothes before the rage and urge to feed hit them. This way, clothes don't inhibit waste disposal and cause the infected to die soon from other infections. Anyway, Ringo's Zs frequently die from lack of food or semi-potable water and probably don't exist after one cold winter. The whole rage-filled naked person thing makes them easy to identify, though. The books are OK, but the zombies are better thought out than most, as are those of Mira Grant, who's a heckuva writer.
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Re: Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2021, 08:48:36 PM »
Yep.
What about buzzards and possums?? ....once they can't walk they're fair game. 8)

Oh yeah...the possums.  They'd be on that like stink on.....well, you know what I'm saying.  I remember a dead swollen cow out in a neighbor's field years ago....we threw a stick at it thinking it would burst and 5 or 6 possums ran out of a hole they ate into the ass end of the bloated thing.

That's one of the reasons I consider it silly! Plus, how do huge herds maintain the energy to stay on two feet, shambling along? Even when they encounter "food," only a small number can reach it. What keeps them going??<snip>

That too.  But then....people vote for democrats so it's to be expected.

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Re: Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2021, 05:46:37 AM »
I have watched the tv show. My wife gets mad when I point out the gun inaccuracies. She got mad when I told her that the Z herd would be done in no time at all. John deere tractors with the retractable bushhog arm. Just put the arm out and let the zs run into the blade of the bush hog. Combines ect. 
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Re: Something silly: a Walking Dead weapons "rant"
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2021, 07:27:23 AM »
Guns?

How about gasoline sitting for years!  They have a spin-off now flying choppers 15-18 years after the apocalypse!

 

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