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why still using primers?
« on: February 09, 2021, 03:20:48 PM »
i have been wondering why they are still using primers. why have they not developed electric fired ammunition? electric fired squibs are used in rockets. i would think they could do some thing simlir with ammunition.

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Re: why still using primers?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2021, 03:29:52 PM »
i have been wondering why they are still using primers. why have they not developed electric fired ammunition? electric fired squibs are used in rockets. i would think they could do some thing simlir with ammunition.

I don't want a firearm that relies on electronics in any way. Too many chances of failures and/or unintended discharges. Electronics can and do fail and any firing system that uses electronics can be discharged by stray electromagnetic fields like radio transmissions and such. I don't think they would be safe. IMHO
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Re: why still using primers?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2021, 03:31:42 PM »
i have been wondering why they are still using primers. why have they not developed electric fired ammunition? electric fired squibs are used in rockets. i would think they could do some thing simlir with ammunition.
they did.  Remington made bolt guns years ago.  Also the atf  said it must be a manually  cycled gun or it would be a machinegun
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: why still using primers?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2021, 04:29:49 PM »
they did.  Remington made bolt guns years ago.  Also the atf  said it must be a manually  cycled gun or it would be a machinegun

Yes. It was called the Remington EtronX. It was a big flop that required special ammunition and primers for reloading. Both the guns and ammunition are now collectors items.


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Re: why still using primers?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2021, 07:10:31 PM »
Yes. It was called the Remington EtronX. It was a big flop that required special ammunition and primers for reloading. Both the guns and ammunition are now collectors items.


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But they ARE out there.
Then there's this,
https://www.fieldandstream.com/pages/electrifying-muzzleloaders-cvas-new-electronic-ignition-system/

But really, it might not be an issue where muzzle loaders already require a cap .
But all you gain is faster lock time .
The average buyer doesn't give a crap, he just wants bullets,.
Preferably CHEAP bullets. 
Crap,
Right now , ANY bullets.
HEY ! That reminds me.
The chiseling SOB at Belmont Firearms and Range has S&W Model 41 $1300 Fing dollars .

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Re: why still using primers?
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Re: why still using primers?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2021, 10:51:04 AM »
I sense your question might be tongue-in-cheek.

Primers and ammo have proven quite stable and reliable. I'm not eager to try a new system, especially right now!
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Re: why still using primers?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2021, 02:14:13 PM »
I'm thinking I remember about several experimental "caseless" rounds the military experimented with
that used electric ignition.    I want to say in the 70s or 80s.  As I remember it was a triangular shaped "case", and fired flechets rather than a solid bullet.   One of the gun magazines had an article about it and some field tests at Ft Benning.

Given the leaps in battery technology, I wouldn't be surprise if we might not see renewed interest.
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Re: why still using primers?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2021, 05:12:16 PM »
I have heard that the reason Remington made them was to improve  accuracy.  No moving parts to interfere  with your hold.   The fall of a striker does move your site picture ever so slightly
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: why still using primers?
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2021, 08:48:31 AM »
I sense your question might be tongue-in-cheek.

Primers and ammo have proven quite stable and reliable. I'm not eager to try a new system, especially right now!

Especially not a "new to me" system from 30 years ago !

I'm thinking I remember about several experimental "caseless" rounds the military experimented with
that used electric ignition.    I want to say in the 70s or 80s.  As I remember it was a triangular shaped "case", and fired flechets rather than a solid bullet.   One of the gun magazines had an article about it and some field tests at Ft Benning.

Given the leaps in battery technology, I wouldn't be surprise if we might not see renewed interest.

Alf, that would be the SALVO, and SPEW programs.
Sorry, this is a full playlist on those programs.  Ian getting a work out on this subject   ;D


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Re: why still using primers?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2021, 10:45:56 AM »
i was wondering due to the shortage of ammo. and thinking part of that was due to ammo companies not getting primers in numbers they use to.

 

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