I only have a 6' step ladder, and you're not supposed to stand on the top 2 steps of a ladder, so I rarely get more than 4' off the ground. I can touch all my ceilings anyway, because none are over 8' high, and lots of times I change light bulbs standing flat on the floor. I have an old chair without a back on it in my kitchen to use as a stool. It's pushed up against the cupboard right in front of the light fixture. I stand on that to change the kitchen lights, since it's there. But the rest of the house, I'm usually standing on the floor to change light bulbs. I sometimes take the backless chair outside to work on stuff, but I think I'm done with that. Maybe I'll post what I made.