Pistol for the recoil sensitive

[Rastus]

Rastus, from what ive read the  5/7 is an over penetrating beast that should only be used on the field of combat and not suitable for CCW or home defense. Plus the fact that the cost is way out there. correct me if Im wrong, I really like what ive heard but the application for this round is marginal.

It probably is an overpenetrator with the black tip armor piercing ammo...you can't get that for less than $10 a round (pre-ATF ban off the market for years) nowadays though  .   I think there is, and ya'll correct me if I am wrong, a whole bunch of hype and disinformation with this thing that's been misrepresented and labeled as "cop killer".   I do not carry this round as the commerically available ammo is 40 grain Vmax (SS197) at around 1,750 fps and a lighter, lead-free 28gr(?) hollow point round (SS195) at around 2,034 (probably closer to 1,850 from a pistol) and the gun is as big as my 1911 (much lighter though).  Velocity is fine, capacity is great at 20 rounds (are you going to use more than 2 or 3 carrying?) but that little bullet is going to blow up when it hits something (good thing urban areas).  In fact, I've heard that it's problem is that it blows up and does not penetrate....however I have also heard from L.E. that the 3 or 4 times it has been used by L.E. the perp hit the ground like a sack of potatoes....again, that's what I heard and that may be part of the mystique and not actual information.

I keep the 5.7 in the house from time-to-time because I don't think it will blast through the walls, etc. and get to family members because it is such a thinly constructed and light weight round.  I believe (please correct if wrong) the 10mm, .357, .45, .40, .38, etc. will  be deadly on the other side of a sheetrock wall...I don't see how the 5.7 can be nearly so destructive. 

Heck, I can't even seem to find a straight answer on what the true velocity of these rounds are.  I think that's on purpose for some reason...misinformation out there...mystique, whatever.  I kinda liked the P90 rifle but at $1,800 I can get two AR's and have a round with "real" power.  I suspect one of the reasons L.E., especially the Secret Service, uses this round is that it is not something that will go through walls and windows with a lot of knock-down power....and the S.S. probably does need to have a bunch of rounds available which you can have with this round.

I equate this round to a 22 magnum from a rifle.  Somewhere near 2,000 FPS (I'm looking at handloads at 2,150-2,200) with a light bullet so I don't see how this can be an overpenetrator with lead rounds....especially if you have a ballistic tip on the bullet.   But, I would really like this in a snubbie because it would be safer to bystanders in crowds.  Just my 2 cents...I'm always learning so flame on back.

Have A Great Day,
Ken

[2HOW]

Rastus, you seem to have a good understanding of this round, more than I do. Look forward to more of your posts on this. Good Luck, and no flames here my friend.....good luck,,,,,Jan

[texcaliber]

Velocity is fine, capacity is great at 20 rounds (are you going to use more than 2 or 3 carrying?)

NO Disrespect man, but FN heck ya you are going to shoot more than 2-3times. As many as your frontsight allows. Meaning if your sight falls on centermass presstrigger please. You will continue until mag is empty prob. flinch a couple time then reload.
Thats my 2cents and IMHO should be the facts man. FYI if it was not for a 22mag darenger i would be nothing more than a gleam in my Daddy's eyes. So i agree

however I have also heard from L.E. that the 3 or 4 times it has been used by L.E. the perp hit the ground like a sack of potatoe

but i will also state that shotplacement was key. And if that is the case than get a pellet gun. But increase caliber and less important shot placement. Just saying man.
Tex

[Rastus]

Yeah...I was thinking 2 or 3 shots with a snubbie 38...with that FN I'd drop several more in center of mass.  And yes, the bigger the load the less important shot placement is which is one reason I like my 10MM Kimber when I can carry it. 

My earlier post was, partly, in reference to an elderly person, probably with arthritis, who 1) can't pull a slide back on an auto 2) can't handle a full size revolver (i.e. needs a lighter snubbie, like a Titanium or alloy to reduce weight) 3) won't practice because even .38 cowboy loads will cause them to hurt and lose dexterity for days and 4) might wait too long to use their gun when they need it because they are unfamiliar with it and/or fearful of the recoil. 

Which is where I brought up the FN 5.7x28 mm load...it sure would be nice for someone to build a snubbie for the 5.7.  I think older people would use it and it should have a lot more velocity and power than a .22 mag shot out of a 2" barrel...22 mag needs at least 16" or more to get to advertised velocities whereas the 5.7, properly loaded, can get to 2,200 FPS with a 5" barrel so it shouldn't suffer as much, proportionately, velocity loss as a .22 mag shot from a 2" barrel.  And, that's why I think the 5.7 would be a more robust round than the 22 mag.  Does anyone make anything bigger than a derrigner, but smaller than a small sized pistol, something like a snubbie in 22 mag?  If there is a 22 mag snubbie out there I need to get one for my mom to have around.  Anyway, thanks for the reply I did need to clear up my post.

NO Disrespect man, but FN heck ya you are going to shoot more than 2-3times. As many as your frontsight allows. Meaning if your sight falls on centermass presstrigger please. You will continue until mag is empty prob. flinch a couple time then reload.
Thats my 2cents and IMHO should be the facts man. FYI if it was not for a 22mag darenger i would be nothing more than a gleam in my Daddy's eyes. So i agree  but i will also state that shotplacement was key. And if that is the case than get a pellet gun. But increase caliber and less important shot placement. Just saying man.
Tex

[texcaliber]

Does anyone make anything bigger than a derrigner, but smaller than a small sized pistol, something like a snubbie in 22 mag?

Why yes Rastus, a company named charter arms made a 9shot, 22mag snubby and it was frowned on due to the fact that if could defeat body armor! A sad thing but there are a lot of them out there, and the one at my shop being MA compliant is marked up but they should still be short money(under $250) for your Mom. Before you look into the 22mag i will still recommend that you look into the Airlite 22LR from www.smith-wesson.com due to the fact that out of a snubby, the Stinger or Velociters from CCI, will match or even out preform most 22mag out of the same length barrel. No Joke! And to boot if your Mom does pratice she will not be taking the abuse that a 22mag might even deal out to her wrist. For a lot less cash might i add.
Just saying man
tex

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[Rastus]

Good deal.  I didn't know there was one out there.  Headed to the site now.....

Thanks,
Ken

Why yes Rastus,.............i will still recommend that you look into the Airlite 22LR from www.smith-wesson.com due to the fact that out of a snubby, the Stinger or Velociters from CCI, will match or even out preform most 22mag out of the same length barrel. No Joke! And to boot if your Mom does pratice she will not be taking the abuse that a 22mag might even deal out to her wrist. For a lot less cash might i add.
Just saying man
tex