Ball State Univ. students pushing for CCW on campus

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Ball State group wants gun rights on campus

Associated Press - October 20, 2008 5:54 AM ET

MUNCIE, Ind. (AP) - A small group of Ball State University students says they should have the right to carry concealed weapons on campus to protect themselves in case of an attack.

The group called Ball State Students for Concealed Carry on Campus group drew about 10 people to a meeting this month.

Junior criminal justice major Blake Graham says most of the students in the group have gun permits.

Carrying guns on campus is against Ball State University policy, whether the holder has a permit or not.

The Ball State group is a local branch of a national organization that wants to push state legislatures and school administrations to allow concealed handguns on campus for license holders.

[Fatman]

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" They" will never allow that.  Removing 'gun-free killing zones' for nut-jobs would result in OSHA fining the pants off the college for promoting a dangerous work area for said nut-jobs.

Seriously, gun-free zones are a pyscho's  paradise.

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Seriously, gun-free zones are a pyscho's  paradise.

No, they are not.

People that do mass shootings ALWAYS do them in places they have spent alot of time in.  Place like: work, home, schools and place they "hang out" at.    It just happends those places tend to be gun-free zones.   Gun free zones play no role in rather or not a mass shooting happends.  Saying that  gun free zones are a pyscho's paradise is like saying free ways cuase speeders.  We all know thats not the case, its just people tend to speed on the free way.

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No, they are not.

People that do mass shootings ALWAYS do them in places they have spent alot of time in.  Place like: work, home, schools and place they "hang out" at.    It just happends those places tend to be gun-free zones.   Gun free zones play no role in rather or not a mass shooting happends.  Saying that  gun free zones are a pyscho's paradise is like saying free ways cuase speeders.  We all know thats not the case, its just people tend to speed on the free way.

Nobody is saying that the location causes the mass shootings, anymore than school playgrounds cause pedophiles.  They both do, however, provide a fertile hunting ground.  For the pedophile, a hunting ground where those who fit their victim profile (children) "hang out", and for the mass shooting whack-a-doos a hunting ground where those who fit THEIR preferred victim profile (people without the means to defend themselves from becoming victims) hang out.  They know that gun-free zones provide an environment in which the lack of meaningful resistance will allow them to rack up a larger body count.  Perhaps the reason that the mass shooters tend to "hang out" in places that are gun-free zones is to allow themselves the opportunity to choose the best location (high ground with a broad field of fire) in which to carry out their dastardly deeds.  How are they to "recon" a location if they don't "hang out" there?  While I have no statistics to back up the last statement, common sense and military experience lead me to believe it's accurate.

[Jim Urban]

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I'd be willing to bet that Diploma you received at the completion of your indoctrination is beautiful.

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I'd be willing to bet that Diploma you received at the completion of your indoctrination is beautiful.

show me one creditable study that shows gunfree zones play a role in increasing or decreasing crime.

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show me one creditable study that shows gunfree zones play a role in increasing or decreasing crime.

Show me one that says they don't.

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show me one creditable study that shows gunfree zones play a role in increasing or decreasing crime.

Oh, hell, TAB, not again. Go read John Lott. Then read it again and again and again until you finally get it!   

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Oh, hell, TAB, not again. Go read John Lott. Then read it again and again and again until you finally get it!   

you do realize that several studys have disproved lott, not only that but lott himself even said he was wrong.  Please stop siting stuff that even the authoers said they were wrong.

[sanjuancb]

Link to studies that disprove Lott please...

I find that hard to believe.

 

"I propose to disallow the establishment of gun-free zones by private entrepreneurs and remove the ability of state legislatures to deem educational campuses as gun-free zones. Historically, the establishment of “shall issue” laws (laws that allow citizens to obtain a concealed carry license) have had a profound positive effect on the incidence of crime. According to John R. Lott Jr., of the American Enterprise Institute, in Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement the enactment of a shall issue law resulted in a decrease in murders caused by multiple victim public shootings by an average of eighty-nine percent and decreased the number of injuries caused by multiple victim public shootings by eighty-two percent. Therefore, it is highly likely that the allowance of concealed carry on what are currently gun-free zones would have a similar effect by decreasing crime. Allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons without hindrance would deter potential criminals by forcing them to be more cautious about their actions, since each person would have the capacity to neutralize them in the event that they were to disrupt the peace of society by committing a criminal offense. Armed citizens on college campuses would overcome the slow response and lack of planning by campus police and would additionally free monetary resources for other purposes, since the cost of training and weapon purchasing would be the responsibility of individual citizens. In 2006, over two-hundred billion dollars was spent on law enforcement and corrections.  The United States currently has the highest incarceration rate in the world, incarcerating 750 criminals per ever 10,000 citizens. Armed citizens would likely relieve the strain on the infrastructure of the prison system by reducing the number of inmates. Additionally, this would monetarily benefit the citizens by saving them tax-dollars that are currently spent maintaining prisoners who have committed extremely violent offenses. Currently, two out of every three prisoners are released and arrested again. In addition, one out of three prisoners is sent back to jail, and burdens the citizens of the United States by leading a cyclic life of crime and punishment. "

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