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[DesertMarine]

What cooptire says about his employee is very common.  The process, delays, treatment and other factors are so cumbersome and outright prejudiced that too many people get discouraged from applying.  A previous girlfriend from Mexico came to the US legally, learned English, learned US history, paid all her fee which kept going up and did all the requistes for citizenship.  She got jacked around by INS, they lost appointments, lost records and generally acted like assholes.  After repeated trips to El Paso, nearest INS office, 180 miles, finally got her citizenship, about 8 years after applying.  I don't blame people for not wanting to put up with the prejudice, delays and overall treatment they get from INS.  If they complain, guess where your application goes.   

[jlc]

Yeah, percentage wise the war is really just a drop in the bucket..... The entitlement crap is what is bankrupting us.

But the Dumocrat Liberal idiots keep feedin the public that Georgies war is causin all the problems in the US.   

[tombogan03884]

But the Dumocrat Liberal idiots keep feedin the public that Georgies war is causin all the problems in the US.  

Entitlements and foreign aid to countries that have never been our friends are the 2 biggest drains on US economy

What cooptire says about his employee is very common.  The process, delays, treatment and other factors are so cumbersome and outright prejudiced that too many people get discouraged from applying.  A previous girlfriend from Mexico came to the US legally, learned English, learned US history, paid all her fee which kept going up and did all the requistes for citizenship.  She got jacked around by INS, they lost appointments, lost records and generally acted like assholes.  After repeated trips to El Paso, nearest INS office, 180 miles, finally got her citizenship, about 8 years after applying.  I don't blame people for not wanting to put up with the prejudice, delays and overall treatment they get from INS.  If they complain, guess where your application goes.   

What you say  makes the illegals even more offensive, it's like they are saying "what chumps" to the folks who try to do it right. 

[DesertMarine]

When the European immigrants came over and entered thru Ellis Island, the mechanism was set in place to document them in and give them legal status.  When that was happenimg, there was nothing similar in place to "welcome" immigrants coming thru our southern borders.  For several hundred years, our southern border has been an open border and people have been crossing freely.  It is only within the last 10 years that the crossings have been called a national security issue.  The treatment of immigrants from Europe and Mexican/Central and South America has been and is totally different.  Comparing European migration and Mexican migration is comparing apples and oranges. 

What would you do if your family is improvished and hungry, knowing that you are unlikely to get legal status to enter the US because of time and money?  I don't like the illegal situation but would like to see the present system revamped for the processing of allowing people to come in legally.  But, I can understand why they take the risks that they do to come here.

[tombogan03884]

Should set up an "Ellis Island" type operation on BOTH borders, and track those who come in as temp visitors/tourists to make sure they LEAVE.  Ellis Island had its faults with crowding etc. but it WAS reasonably effective.
Actually concerns about the southern borders national security implications date back AT LEAST to the Reagan administration when it was seen as a potential entry point for communist infiltration.
In that regard it is interesting to note that ALL known successful  terrorist infiltration has been through Canada, or International airports. Several attempts made through the southern border have been thwarted when MEXICANS alerted authorities.

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[SwoopSJ]

In that regard it is interesting to note that ALL known successful  terrorist infiltration has been through Canada, or International airports. Several attempts made through the southern border have been thwarted when MEXICANS alerted authorities.

That makes perfect sense when you think about it.  The Mexicans entering the U.S. illegally want to stay here.  Whats the point in sneaking across the border in hope of a better life if some a-hole is going to blow it up?

Swoop

[DesertMarine]

Totally agree Tom and Swoop.  Quite possibly we would not have this big of a problem.  About the time of Reagan, we would get some information on terrorist and infiltration.  Supposedly there were training camps within 100 miles of the border and some camps in New Mexico.  Nothing ever came out of what we were hearing, so wonder what the truth was. 

Having grown up in New Mexico and my parents in Texas, have seen a lot of how people treat other people because of their skin color.  It stays in you when growing up and later on being treated as second-class citizen based solely on skin color.  That is in large part why I am sensitive to the illegal issue and misconceptions being preached and those who are not familar with it will believe it.  One good example is, on a Bill O'Rielly show, he had Michelle Malkin on and they were talking about illegals and a Mexican-American political organization named "La Raza".  Michelle was ranting about how the name denoted racial superiority.  The organization was started maybe thirty to forty years ago and there has never been a racial superiority organization in the Mexican community.  "La Raza" simply means "The People" and in this case simply "The Mexican People", nothing more.  It is like the Navajo call themselves "Dineh", which means "The People".  Wonder how many people now believe that "La Raza" is a racial superiorty group?

[tombogan03884]

Totally agree Tom and Swoop.  Quite possibly we would not have this big of a problem.  About the time of Reagan, we would get some information on terrorist and infiltration.  Supposedly there were training camps within 100 miles of the border and some camps in New Mexico.  Nothing ever came out of what we were hearing, so wonder what the truth was. 

Having grown up in New Mexico and my parents in Texas, have seen a lot of how people treat other people because of their skin color.  It stays in you when growing up and later on being treated as second-class citizen based solely on skin color.  That is in large part why I am sensitive to the illegal issue and misconceptions being preached and those who are not familar with it will believe it.  One good example is, on a Bill O'Rielly show, he had Michelle Malkin on and they were talking about illegals and a Mexican-American political organization named "La Raza".  Michelle was ranting about how the name denoted racial superiority.  The organization was started maybe thirty to forty years ago and there has never been a racial superiority organization in the Mexican community.  "La Raza" simply means "The People" and in this case simply "The Mexican People", nothing more.  It is like the Navajo call themselves "Dineh", which means "The People".  Wonder how many people now believe that "La Raza" is a racial superiorty group?

It's what I thought, (about "La Raza" ) There are plenty of reasons for dis liking people or even hating them, that if all you can come up with is something as lame as skin color you should consider that person a role model.