8 year old dies at gun fair.

[Hazcat]

Hey, we have a troll!

[mosbear]

Troll alert!!!!!

The Second Amendment is still very important - period!

Life lost is a tragedy, child’s life is even more precious. Just want to point out that even amusement parks and carnivals have a restriction for who can use certain attractions and who is not. Just plain common sense.
Should the Machine Gun Shoot promoter be shut down is up to the jury. Here is the link to their web page C.O.P Firearms and Training Click their Shoting events button. Their flier says " No age limit or license trequired to shoot machine guns, ...." on the side of the flyer image. Enough said.
I don't feel I am in a position to talk about the parents of this boy. They already suffered enough. I don't wish this even on my worth enemy.

[ericire12]

Troll alert!!!!!

The Second Amendment is still very important - period!

Ignore the varmint, dont encourage him.

[Ichiban]

Well, since are talking about accidents, and if you can believe the data from the Center of Disease Control:

For 2005:
    789 Deaths due to accidental firearms discharge.
  3582 Deaths due to drowning or submersion.
23,618 Deaths from poisoning or noxious substance.

Draw your own conclusions (as I know you will).

No argument that even one accidental death is too many but do try to keep it in perspective.

[jaybet]

I did not come here for blame or insults - even though there is plenty of reason for it.

I'm interested: Is there any one person here that takes the tragedy as an opportunity to think things over?
This is not just a stupid yet tragic accident. It is a logical consequence of the importance guns are given in the U.S. A once very important 2nd amendmend is a sorry excuse for too many guncrazy fools. There should be better ways.
Is anyone waking up? Please post here!

You mean, "Guncrazy fools" as opposed to "Automobile crazy fools" who kill countless more...or "alcohol crazy fools" who take a legal product and ruin lives?

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[runstowin]

Well, since are talking about accidents, and if you can believe the data from the Center of Disease Control:

For 2005:
    789 Deaths due to accidental firearms discharge.
  3582 Deaths due to drowning or submersion.
23,618 Deaths from poisoning or noxious substance.

Draw your own conclusions (as I know you will).

No argument that even one accidental death is too many but do try to keep it in perspective.

+1

[tombogan03884]

Hey guys, I really  think we should be serious about this guys question for 2 reasons, 1) the anti civil rights left will be screaming similar questions, 2) Since he is European he probably just doesn't get it.

We don't work on feelings, we go by facts. Fact, An 8 year old should not be firing full auto weapons, Fact, sometimes bad things happen to nice people (simplified as " Sh!t happens") Fact, If the child's parents were more familiar with firearms this unfortunate event would have been less likely. Fact, what makes "danger" in the "Gun culture " of America is the suppression of training and experience pushed by the euro centric socialists of the democratic party. 40 years ago, nearly all kids learned to shoot at an early age through the Boy Scouts, YMCA, or other community  or family events, they were taught SAFETY first, there were no age limits on gun ownership and they could be purchased by mail. We did not have school shootings, we had school shooting teams.
The Fact that 80% of murders in the US occur in the 4 cities with the strictest gun laws illustrates the error of your reasoning.
As Ichiban posted, one accidental death is to many but how does it stack up against 100,000 people killed annually by "Medical Misadventure ?  50,000 traffic fatalities ?

[Fatman]

Well, since are talking about accidents, and if you can believe the data from the Center of Disease Control:

For 2005:
    789 Deaths due to accidental firearms discharge.
  3582 Deaths due to drowning or submersion.
23,618 Deaths from poisoning or noxious substance.

Draw your own conclusions (as I know you will).

No argument that even one accidental death is too many but do try to keep it in perspective.

More fun from the NSC - how we die :

http://www.nsc.org/research/odds.aspx

Note the very last stat, medical complications . Don't think this  has all the accidental deaths caused by medical professionals -just the complications.

Complications of medical and surgical care and sequelae, Y40-Y84, Y88.0-Y88.3     

actual number for 2004 - 2,883 odds of dying from this in one year - 1 in 452,476.  Lifetime - 1 in 1,308



Firearms discharge, W32-W34      

actual number for 2004 - 649 odds in one year - 1 in 1,249,604.  Lifetime - 1 in 5,808
     

Unfortunately, NSC now charges for the full stats, either in book or cd form.

    
ps, NSC is more reliable for these stats, CDC is still politically involved with trying to label gun issues like 'disease' epidemics 

[Solus]

Does any one have stats on how many folks are killed because they were trapped in a vehicle by a seatbelt in use?

Eliminating seatbelts to avoid these deaths ignores the greater  number of folks saved by their use.

In a similar manner, eliminating firearms to avoid the small number of accidental deaths ignores the much greater number of lives that are saved by the use of firearms by private citizens.

[tombogan03884]

Does any one have stats on how many folks are killed because they were trapped in a vehicle by a seatbelt in use?

Eliminating seatbelts to avoid these deaths ignores the greater  number of folks saved by their use.

In a similar manner, eliminating firearms to avoid the small number of accidental deaths ignores the much greater number of lives that are saved by the use of firearms by private citizens.

2 - 3 MILLION per year.