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tombogan03884

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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2008, 10:37:23 AM »
Here's my thoughts on a couple of topics mentioned here, first Abortion, it's a medical procedure that along with many other things has helped lower the infant mortality rate. With the availability of ,condoms, the"morning after pill", birth control pills, implants, etc,all of which are more convenient,noninvasive, less expensive and far less controversial, there is no excuse for using it as a form of birth control. I think that abortion should be easily available if a Doctor diagnoses it as being necessary just like bypass surgery, if you need it, you need it, but if you went to your doctor and told him you thought you would like to get a bypass he would schedule you for a psych eval.
Christianity, I'm not much of a Christian, I believe in a Creator, but I also believe (supported by sub atomic physics) that we are "all one with the universe", I believe in Karma, when I read the Bible I apply historical knowledge and common sense to what I'm reading, for example, prohibitions on Jews eating pork, that's a hot climate, pork does not keep safely in hot climates , so it's safest to just avoid it. Sex between those to closely related, leads to a higher incidence of birth defects, best avoided. That being said when it comes time to stand up I will be standing with the believers, even if my own beliefs may be a little fuzzy.
The last suggested this, Creation versus evolution, I believe based on my work experience  (? ;D) that any one who promotes one of these theories over the other has not thought it through fully . Consider, the Bible says "God works in mysterious ways" and "In the beginning was The Word" , in manufacturing we have Engineering (Creation) who produce designs (the Word ) but it requires machinists making and improving prototypes (evolution) to translate  "the Will" into "the substance" in short it's not a case of Creation OR evolution, it's actually Creation THROUGH evolution.
As for the obamanation/hitler comparisons I think they are valid.EXCEPT, Hitler was a NATIONAL socialist, where as Obummer seems to be an INTERNATIONAL socialist on the lines of Marx and Lenin. Based on the experiences of the former Soviet states B Ho's economic ideas will not lead to prosperity, (the way Hitler achieved APPARENT prosperity was by looting the conquered nations, his luck ran out before their resources did.) it is not "sharing the wealth", it is sharing the poverty, while the elite keep the remaining wealth for themselves, doling out small privileges to the faithful followers. Things to look for; increasing inflation,, nationalization of resources and manufacturing, and lastly,  decreasing unemployment coupled with decreasing productivity, (this means that more people are being used to make less stuff, the workers are just putting in their time and just doing enough to stay out of trouble).
  That's about all I can think of for now, the election is over so anylizing the comparisons in campaign strategies between Hitler, Milosivic, and the O hole are fairly pointless, except as lessons in how we have to lie, cheat, steal, and generally play the dirtiest form of politics south American style in order to win our country back at the polls.
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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2008, 02:52:03 PM »
I don't feel that I need to call someone that participates in abortion a sinner or condem them.  However, I do feel that someone needs to step forward and speak for and protect the life of an innocent child.  The one point in life where anyone can truely say that this soul has not committed any sin worthy of death or needing repentence.

Sure, I may say that some one participating in abortion is killing a human life, but that accusation is meant to protect the life not judge the other.
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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2008, 08:20:58 AM »
Tom and M58...I disagree with both of ya'll.  Something for a PM some day.

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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2008, 11:45:41 AM »
Tom and M58...I disagree with both of ya'll.  Something for a PM some day.

Ken

That's the American way, put 3 of us in a room, and get 4 opinions, 1 from each of us and 1 that all of us can live with (unless one is a socialist)  ;D

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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2008, 12:55:10 PM »
I consider myself pro-choice.  By that I mean that I FULLY support a woman's right to choose whether or not she will engage in behavior that could conceivably (no pun intended) result in pregnancy (ie: unprotected "congress"). 

That being said, I am not willing, nor am I willing to let someone else (the gummint) on my behalf, to tell a victim of rape or incest, or someone with a legitimately life-threatening medical issue that they MUST carry their child to full term.

Abortion as birth control, however, I find reprehensible.
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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2008, 08:54:22 PM »
..............Abortion as birth control, however, I find reprehensible.

Seems the only ones debating this are the ones who were born.  The "noise" about rape, incest, life-threatening pregnancy was always handled in the past and was never an issue....but it became an issue to take the focus off infant death as birth control.

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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2008, 09:33:33 PM »
Seems the only ones debating this are the ones who were born.  The "noise" about rape, incest, life-threatening pregnancy was always handled in the past and was never an issue....but it became an issue to take the focus off infant death as birth control.



Which seems really stupid as I wrote in the earlier post, pills, condoms, implants etc. are all FAR less expensive,controversial ,and are non invasive, they can be handled in the privacy of your home, don't require a doctor and carry no stigma in any ones mind.
The sort of people who use abortion as birth control are the sort who should have been aborted themselves.

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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2008, 09:57:03 PM »
Nothing personal guys, but I get enough of the abortion debate in the rest of my life.  I think I'll just sit this one out.
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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2008, 11:41:30 PM »
Well...............................since I am the only one in here that can conceive and carry a child.. .............I will, I believe stay quiet and let you 'men" continue to debate and think you can find the answers.
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Re: When Hitler came to power...does it compare to us right now?
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2008, 11:52:27 PM »
I'll be the first person to tell you I don't have all the answers.
Heck, I don't have many answers to most of the important questions.

My Grand Daddy taught me a long time ago to keep my mouth shut when up to my eyeballs in doo-doo.

I posted earlier in the thread, before it got this deeply involved with a significantly touchy and debatable topic. This is one area where one can see both sides of an argument, but never reach true clarity because of all the "what ifs" involved.

Therefore, the tape is going over the lips....or the mittens on the fingers?

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