Why is everyone ready to give up?

[HAWKFISH]

Times are hard for many people right now. And the gun-community is reeling and scared after the elections. I am scared and very concerned about our country and the future road it is going to take. In my honest opinion.. even after the elections this is still the best country on earth. I am getting angered and frustrated however by people who seem to be "throwing in the towel." I just went by the gunstore yesterday and hearld some guys talking. "Freedom is over. Kiss your guns goodbye! Kiss your freedom goodbye!" All kinds of negative statements that there is no hope and all is doomed. Why are some so ready to throw in that towel?

What if our founding fathers would have thrown in the towel? How did America come into existance. It wasn't by giving up when times got hard. Freedom is still here and alive. But, just like always it isn't free and throwing in the towel is only going to ensure that you don't have any freedoms and especially any gunrights. I for one am not going to give up. As long as I am breathing and do what little I can everyday to help, then when I look in the mirror I can stand proud and know that I didn't throw in the towel. If everyone did their little part we as a whole, can make a difference. But, all this doom and gloom and giving up isn't going to get you anywhere...that's what the Anti-Gunners want. And some are falling right into their plot. This is just my .02 cents. But please think about this and don't.. throw in the towel.   

[BigSaucy]

+1

...but it isn't easy.

[shooter32]

Well said Hawkfish, MB had a great Down Range Radio show # 83
It's time for us to pull together and go to work.

[Hazcat]

I don't think they're 'throwing in the towel', I think they are getting their 'mind right' so they'll be ready.

[pops1911]

What I keep hearing is to 'be reasonable' & 'wait' - if we wait, it will be too late. Look at gun sales, read what BHo did in the past...

Not to mention Pelosi & Frank & all their buddies as well as Brady etc. They are in power & Pelosi's 'middle' legislating is far different from what my 'middle' would equate to. I guess the middle of the far left?

I have not given up & will not - I propose revolution - by voting, activities etc. Whatever we need to do & if it gets too far out of hand there are ways to fix that too.

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[tombogan03884]

Nice motivational speech Hawkfish, But we lost this YEARS ago. The most important battle for our rights took place in letting socialists dominate education and media. When the schools and MSM started promoting the glorification of victim hood and political correctness, that was when we should have taken action, that was when we had a chance to preserve our nation by countering the brain washing of our youth. No matter WHAT we do all the enemy has to do is wait for the last of the REAL Americans to die off.
The best we can hope for now is to die with honor, knowing that ,we at least, did not abandon 232 years of work and sacrifice in order to get the free check.

[WatchManUSA]

This mood that we are going through is part of the process of moving forward it is like the 5 stages of grief:

1-Denial-"this can't be happening to me.
2-Anger-"why me?", feelings of wanting to fight back or get even
3-Bargaining-bargaining often takes place before the loss.
4-Depression-overwhelming feelings of hopelessness, frustration, bitterness, self pity, mourning loss of person as well as the hopes, dreams and plans for the future. Feeling lack of control, feeling numb.
5-Acceptance

After the last presidential election the liberals were left for dead after being beaten by Bush in two elections.  They got their story put together and it worked this time – they whipped our collective ass!

Let's face it, over the past few years it has been hard to tell the Republicans from the Democrats.  Under the Republicans entitlements skyrocketed (non-war spending), we got Medicare Part D, and it seams that every day some big business is getting a billion dollar hand-out.  All of this has been under a Republican administration – handouts.  What do we have to show for it?

We need new conservative leadership to emerge who can craft a comprehensive conservative message that makes sense to the masses.  Why should people vote for a conservative candidate?  What is the benefit to living life with conservative principles?

Right now the liberals have painted the conservative movement as benefitting the rich, the privileged, the pious and big business.

This new conservative message needs to figure out how to explain the benefits of living by conservative principles to the young, people of color and the middle-class.  This revised message is crucial.

[HAWKFISH]

Nice motivational speech Hawkfish, But we lost this YEARS ago. The most important battle for our rights took place in letting socialists dominate education and media. When the schools and MSM started promoting the glorification of victim hood and political correctness, that was when we should have taken action, that was when we had a chance to preserve our nation by countering the brain washing of our youth. No matter WHAT we do all the enemy has to do is wait for the last of the REAL Americans to die off.
The best we can hope for now is to die with honor, knowing that ,we at least, did not abandon 232 years of work and sacrifice in order to get the free check.

We lost years ago? The best we can hope for?    ... 

 That's kinda what I'm eluding too. It's like your saying why bother. I mean..is it just me? Does that or does that not sound like it's over and one would be calling it quits? Tombogan03884, I mean no disrespect in anyway. We have talked on posts before and I am not trying to criticize or belittle your point. Your right a lot of this has come down the pipe from years of problems. But does that mean you just automatically have to accept it.. just simply give in ... and be okay with .. just because we are doomed? What if the "REAL Americans" that you mentioned didn't die off? What if through thick and thin and against all odds.. gunowners.. did prevail and enjoy the freedom that was established with the formation of this country? Is that possible? Yes.. but everyone has to be together... working together.. and seeing the glass half full instead of half empty.

[jaybet]

Everyone here has a point. We just got our asses handed to us. Ok...so you lick your wounds and you stand up as the real americans you are talking about. Stand up for the honor and contientiousness the gun community stands for...the RESPONSIBILITY. Make it impossible for them to paint us as 'Nuts".

With regard to giving up...I myself may have appeared to give up to some, but I stopped talking politics three weeks ago with people and now I'm not talking it hardly at all because I had reached my threshold...damn sick of hearing about it. Well, now that knucklehead is pres-elect and the dems are drooling, I'm still sick of hearing about it. But I'll bounce back...we all will.

There have been democratic presidents before and there have been democratic congresses and we've had setbacks before. Cycles, everybody...the world operates in cycles. Let's be ready for the first crack in their armor.

[deepwater]

if the dumbocrats can win, so can the REAL AMERICANS! it took the dumbs some time to do it, but we can do more to counter all of their propaganda. educate the country in the difference between a democracy and a republic, socialism and capitalism.. etc....  I think most of these retards that voted for... what's his name? did it because
1) they didn't listen to his speaches and compare.. you know .. contradictions.
2) they have no idea what's going on in politics, they vote for the one that looks best..  
3) they voted because if they didn't they would be 'racist' .  guilt. the dumbies like using that one to win votes.
4) they don't realize that most of the news they recieve is biased.. they don't know what propaganda is.
5) people have a short memory span. they don't remember yesterdays news, or why it happened. history repeats itself.
I think our best chance at getting back is being vocal and educating our neighbors, community. some will listen if you say it enough. and above all, tell nothing but the truth.. it's always the loudest.
I'm not giving up, in fact, I've ruined a couple of parties here because I do speak up when someone starts talking smack. and I tell everyone why I have these views and why I believe what I do. yes I have converted a few.. and I will continue.