I have a question...

[Grizzle_Bear]

Assault is an action, not a tool.

As far as I know, the previous AWB had no effect on crime.  To those of us who live in the real world, this would indicate that the AWB was useless.  To those with the liberal/socialist mindset, this means it wasn't tried hard enough.  So I predict they will try it again.

That said, I agree that no police force should be able to have any weapon that is prohibited to the average citizen. 

Grizzle Bear

[ericire12]

Assault is an action, not a tool.

As far as I know, the previous AWB had no effect on crime.  To those of us who live in the real world, this would indicate that the AWB was useless.  To those with the liberal/socialist mindset, this means it wasn't tried hard enough.  So I predict they will try it again.

That said, I agree that no police force should be able to have any weapon that is prohibited to the average citizen. 

Grizzle Bear

What about a drill?


I personally dont get so worked up about the term "assault weapon". I think that you could make the case that it is a legitimate description for the semi auto versions of the full auto rifles being used on the battlefield (ARs, AKs, etc).

I think that this debate really causes us to lose the forest for the trees (Yeah, it has kinda become the N-word to most progun people). I think that its important to remember that with the battle over the 2nd Amendment, presentation is everything. The ignorant masses dont get all worked up over M1 Garands or the Remington 7615s because they dont look like the full auto spray and pray rifles that they see on CNN being used by terrorists and by our soldiers. I would also submit that if given an image of a SA 80 (especially with the magazine removed) they probably would not have the same knee jerk reaction either.

What is so despicable about the term "assault weapon" is how members of Congress use it to manipulate the uneducated American people into furthering their anti-gun agenda. They understand the fear that the masses have and are using it to their full advantage. The term "assault weapon" has become so synonymous with AKs and ARs that the masses think anything congress has classified as an "assualt weapon" is a weapon of mass destruction.

I would bet that most Americans that favor an AWB dont even realize what all it entails. They probably just think that it will get AKs and those "evil black rifles" off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals and gang members (because they are all full auto and they only belong on the battlefield -- tongue in cheek). They dont realize how many other semiauto rifles Congress has earmarked to be included in that ban simply for the purpose of arms control.

[shooter32]

 would bet that most Americans that favor an AWB dont even realize what all it entails. They probably just think that it will get AKs and those "evil black rifles" off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals and gang members (because they are all full auto and they only belong on the battlefield -- tongue in cheek). They dont realize how many other semiauto rifles Congress has earmarked to be included in that ban simply for the purpose of arms control.

+10  Hear this all the time

[Big Frank]

It's not just rifles that look like assault rifles either. And it's not even just rifles. It's weapons. They put shotguns and pistols on lists like that all the time. People who aren't gun enthusiasts think it means machineguns or assault rifles because that's what the news videos show whenever they say assault weapons. They don't realize that it's actually rifles, pistols, and shotguns, but NOT the assault rifles and machineguns they show.

[tombogan03884]

What about a drill?


I personally dont get so worked up about the term "assault weapon". I think that you could make the case that it is a legitimate description for the semi auto versions of the full auto rifles being used on the battlefield (ARs, AKs, etc).

I think that this debate really causes us to lose the forest for the trees (Yeah, it has kinda become the N-word to most progun people). I think that its important to remember that with the battle over the 2nd Amendment, presentation is everything. The ignorant masses dont get all worked up over M1 Garands or the Remington 7615s because they dont look like the full auto spray and pray rifles that they see on CNN being used by terrorists and by our soldiers. I would also submit that if given an image of a SA 80 (especially with the magazine removed) they probably would not have the same knee jerk reaction either.

What is so despicable about the term "assault weapon" is how members of Congress use it to manipulate the uneducated American people into furthering their anti-gun agenda. They understand the fear that the masses have and are using it to their full advantage. The term "assault weapon" has become so synonymous with AKs and ARs that the masses think anything congress has classified as an "assualt weapon" is a weapon of mass destruction.

I would bet that most Americans that favor an AWB dont even realize what all it entails. They probably just think that it will get AKs and those "evil black rifles" off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals and gang members (because they are all full auto and they only belong on the battlefield -- tongue in cheek). They dont realize how many other semiauto rifles Congress has earmarked to be included in that ban simply for the purpose of arms control.

"Assault Weapon" is a meaningless phrase coined by the anti gun lobby with the PURPOSE of confusing the uninformed into thinking that semi automatic military look a likes are some sort of demon machine gun.
In order to defeat the grabbers agenda we need to educate the uninformed masses with accurate information, this begins with terminology, if you use their propaganda words instead of accurate terminology you are undercutting your own message. The proper terms are "Utility Rifle" and "standard capacity Magazine".
And join the NRA if you are not already a member.

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[TSB]

Here in MA, where the original 1994 AWB still exists, (with modifications) the stupidity of the law is that I CAN buy a AR varient in several styles like a Colt Sporter, Bushmaster and several others as long as they have fixed stocks and NO flash suppressors.  Simply idiotic that they ("The Peoples Republic of Cambridge") think it's any less dangerous without these options.

Same thing with Glock pistols.  You cannot buy a NEW Glock in MA but you can buy a remanufactured Glock from an FFL because LEA's turn in old pistols and they resell them in MA as new/retrofit pistols.  Up here it is all about how much money can be generated and dumped into the state coffers for subsequent mis-spending by the afformentioned communist regime that runs this state.  At about 5000 bucks for each and every handgun approved regardless of model type, it can, and does get a little expensive for PARA, Colt, Springfield, Glock and the meriad of other gun makers to get anything approved.  Smith and Wesson gets a pass and everything they sell is approved, including the AR varients that they make.....

This can happen everywhere across the country.  They may never take away the right but they can surely make it a royal pain in the ass for every enthusiast out there...

One of the dumbest things on the books up here is ANYONE can buy a muzzle loading firearm here because they are considered "Primitive Firearms" and according to the dumb asses in Boston, MUST be safer for the public...seems to me that a rifle that can throw .45 or .50 cal sabot rounds out to 200 yards is PRETTY dangerous.....(we'll keep that little tidbit a secret and no one will ever find out...)

[lefty60]

Once again! If you have not joined the NRA do so NOW! Send the NRA $10 (or more) every month when you set down to pay your bills.   This will be constructive help in the fight to keep our rights.

And then, when dealing with the non-gun toting folks out there, do what you can to present a good image and constructive imformation about our hobby/sports.

If good PR can elect a president it could help our position.

[ericire12]

Here in MA, where the original 1994 AWB still exists, (with modifications) the stupidity of the law is that I CAN buy a AR varient in several styles like a Colt Sporter, Bushmaster and several others as long as they have fixed stocks and NO flash suppressors.  Simply idiotic that they ("The Peoples Republic of Cambridge") think it's any less dangerous without these options.

Same thing with Glock pistols.  You cannot buy a NEW Glock in MA but you can buy a remanufactured Glock from an FFL because LEA's turn in old pistols and they resell them in MA as new/retrofit pistols.  Up here it is all about how much money can be generated and dumped into the state coffers for subsequent mis-spending by the afformentioned communist regime that runs this state.  At about 5000 bucks for each and every handgun approved regardless of model type, it can, and does get a little expensive for PARA, Colt, Springfield, Glock and the meriad of other gun makers to get anything approved.  Smith and Wesson gets a pass and everything they sell is approved, including the AR varients that they make.....

This can happen everywhere across the country.  They may never take away the right but they can surely make it a royal pain in the ass for every enthusiast out there...

One of the dumbest things on the books up here is ANYONE can buy a muzzle loading firearm here because they are considered "Primitive Firearms" and according to the dumb asses in Boston, MUST be safer for the public...seems to me that a rifle that can throw .45 or .50 cal sabot rounds out to 200 yards is PRETTY dangerous.....(we'll keep that little tidbit a secret and no one will ever find out...)

Infringement

[TSB]

Infringement

I don't disagree entirely Eric but, I have NOT been denied a right to posess firearms or to protect my family.  I've just been denied WHAT I can use to ensure that protection.  My local LEA is very understanding and the store I buy from is run by an off-duty LEO from another town...

The list is not very extensive but there are plenty of fine firearms to choose from on the approved roster...

[ericire12]

I don't disagree entirely Eric but, I have NOT been denied a right to posess firearms or to protect my family.  I've just been denied WHAT I can use to ensure that protection.  My local LEA is very understanding and the store I buy from is run by an off-duty LEO from another town...

The list is not very extensive but there are plenty of fine firearms to choose from on the approved roster...

Well at the very least (by Dem standards) it is disenfranchisement. When a $500 gun has been driven up to $5000 by govt policies you and many others in your neck of the woods are being priced right out of your 2nd amendment right.