Florida Times Union: Election Impacts Gun Sales

[fullautovalmet76]

Here's the link: http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/112308/met_358910637.shtml

The first reaction is, "Duh!!" But the article is balanced overall. The reporter did slur PIF owners by calling the rifles "assault weapons".

Marshal,
I'm sure there will be many more articles in the future on this and similar issues. Do you think we need to create a separate thread for those of us to browse some the stories being reported around the country?

Thanks!

[Hazcat]

Sorry FA, I don't think it was balanced at all.

Obama says so it's not gonna happen, BS!  Look at the wording on his new site (AWB etc) and look at his record.  Once again the MSM is covering for him.

As to his definition of the gunshow loop hole..........It is a PRIVATE SALE!  Doesn't matter if it happens at a gun show or a church parking lot or my kitchen table.  If they 'close the loop hole' there will be no more private sales at all!

[fullautovalmet76]

Sorry FA, I don't think it was balanced at all.

Obama says so it's not gonna happen, BS!  Look at the wording on his new site (AWB etc) and look at his record.  Once again the MSM is covering for him.

As to his definition of the gunshow loop hole..........It is a PRIVATE SALE!  Doesn't matter if it happens at a gun show or a church parking lot or my kitchen table.  If they 'close the loop hole' there will be no more private sales at all!

OK Haz. Then I encourage you to point that out to him (if you haven't done so). I think we need to really lift our voices, which I'm sure you are in total agreement.

I've seen the Obama web site and his position on gun control is just a slight edit of what was on is campaign web site. The substance is still the same.

[alfsauve]

As to his definition of the gunshow loop hole..........It is a PRIVATE SALE!  Doesn't matter if it happens at a gun show or a church parking lot or my kitchen table.  If they 'close the loop hole' there will be no more private sales at all!

I've been saying this from the get go.   If you try to split private sales into two categories with one being "gun shows", then it  starts to trample on the first amendment, the right to gather peaceably.    So the only way not to enter legal entanglements is to just make it applicable to ALL private sales.   This probably wouldn't be palatable to the public at large so they hide behind the "gun show" mantra.  That is until the actual bill gets written.

Of course, this is the anti's real aim.  To make everything go through NICs and to start recording every transfer.

[tombogan03884]

I e mailed him:

Some comments on you recent article about gun sales, first, I have been a firearms enthusiast for 40 years with 6 of them spent in the service, 3 years Marine Corps and another 3 years in the National guard, in that time I have educated myself about the history, design, function, maintainence, and use of fire arms ranging from air pistols to .50 machine guns, could you please explain to me just what is an "assault weapon"?
The fact is that any object used to harm another becomes an "assault weapon" as soon as it is used for an assault, be it a medium caliber rifle, or, as in the case of Cain and Abel, a rock.
Second, the distrust of Obama's claims to "support the second amendment" is based on his consistently anti gun rights voting record, not any type of  "right wing paranoia".
Third, there is no such thing as a "private gun dealer", "Gunshow loophole" is another made up catch phrase, like "assault weapon" used by the anti civil rights movement to fool the uninformed . What is being attacked in this case is the right of a gun owner to privately sell his own property, or transfer it to another law abiding citizen with out Govt. involvement.
Fourth, Mikhail Mohammad had best do some research into the origins of his own organization before he goes making such uninformed, inflammatory and self defeating statements. Huey Newton, who founded the original Black Panther Party, advocated the ownership of private fire arms for self defense.
That pretty much covers the points I picked up in a quick scan of your article, in closing I would remind every one who reads this that the "Right to keep and bear arms" is a Civil right, just like freedom of the press, and no more open to "reasonable regulation".
If you want to control crime why not go after violant offenders regardless of the tool they choose instead of attacking the civil rights of law abiding citizens.

[Sponsor]

[Hazcat]

I've been saying this from the get go.   If you try to split private sales into two categories with one being "gun shows", then it  starts to trample on the first amendment, the right to gather peaceably.    So the only way not to enter legal entanglements is to just make it applicable to ALL private sales.   This probably wouldn't be palatable to the public at large so they hide behind the "gun show" mantra.  That is until the actual bill gets written.

Of course, this is the anti's real aim.  To make everything go through NICs and to start recording every transfer.

BINGO!

[fullautovalmet76]

Check this out while you have time:

http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/11/23/discuss-election-triggers-gun-buying/

The paper will allow people to add their comments about select stories they run. Enjoy.....

[tombogan03884]

I posted the following comment, I'll check back during the week to see how badly the Kool ade drinkers hate me 

Reality check, First, "Assault Rifles" 1) are select fire, in other words semi or full auto at the flick of a switch, ownership of ALL fully automatic fire arms have been federally regulated since the 1930's, this has had no effect on their use in crime. 2) Assault Rifles use an intermediate (medium) caliber in order to be controllable in full auto mode (therefore LESS likely to go through a wall).
Second, Murder, rape, robbery and assault are ALREADY illegal, why do we need more than 20,000 laws regulating the items that LAW ABIDING citizens use for self defense when criminals are equally capable of committing their crimes with knives and clubs ?
Third, Obama talks about "Reasonable" and "commonsense" regulation, 1) will he implement the NRA Eddy Eagle safety program in all schools, THAT'S common sense. 2) Since we are talking about a Constitutionally guaranteed CIVIL RIGHT, lets try a little word switching, how about, I support the 1st amendment, but I think we can  add some "REASONABLE" regulation, or how about I support Racial equality but I think we need some "commonsense" regulation of it, gives it a whole different perspective doesn't it ?

[fullautovalmet76]

Tom,
Jacksonville has about 1 million people in its metropolitan area. So it is a medium sized city. The town has more registered Democrats than Republicans, though they typically vote for Republicans in elections. John McCain narrowly won Duval County (Jacksonville) though.

So it has its share of radical left wingers like any other larger city. I'm sure they like just about as much as Matt Coleman appreciates us here DRTV.   

[MikeBjerum]

If you want to really take the pulse of a community try my way:

When looking at the number of deaths and injuries by firearms you take the raw total number; remove self inflicted; remove homicide; and remove law enforcement actions.  The remaining number is made up of accidents, and it is not only the largest individual number, but it is also larger than some combination of others.

What causes accidents?  Accidents are caused by lack of knowledge and training.  Curiosity also comes from a lack of knowledge and experience.  If you require a program like Eddie the Eagle for young children you give knowledge in how to react in a given situation.  If you require firearm safety training of children in late elementary school (most courses I know of are designed for age 11 and up (roughly 6th graders)) you give knowledge in the safety and dangers of firearms, of how to handle a firearm, and experience in the safe use of a firearm.

These steps will equip our society with the knowledge needed to understand that firearms are more than a deadly object, but also a useful tool designed for many purposes.  The steps will also replace the curiosity that leads to accidents with a experience of "been there done that" when people are exposed to firearms and the possible temptation to "play with them."

Minnesota Department of Natural Resources has kept record of accidental firearms incidents and training records since they started their Firearm Safety Training program.  The chart forms a perfect "X".  There is an equal reaction of decline in injuries and deaths to the increase of those receiving the training over the years.

Does what I have said here sound "common sense" and "reasonable" to anyone here, or am I out on a ledge with Harvey the Rabbit?  I guarantee that you will find more people telling you you are nuts for a stance like this than those that will either consider or embrace it.