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Hot off the wire . . .

Of course the media identified the gun used (Glock) before noting it was user error. AP wire story, what do you expect them to do?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,459047,00.html

Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
Saturday, November 29, 2008
MONROE, Ohio  —  Police in southwestern Ohio say a police chief mistakenly shot himself in the thigh after giving his daughter a gun safety lesson.

A police report says 54-year-old Middletown police Chief Greg Schwarber was preparing to clean his Glock .45-caliber pistol on Friday and didn't realize the gun was still loaded.

The report written by officers from neighboring Monroe says the bullet entered Schwarber's leg just above the knee.

When officers arrived, they found the chief lying on the floor with a towel covering his leg. Schwarber was taken to a hospital for treatment.

The hospital had no record of Schwarber being treated or admitted. A home phone number for him couldn't be found.
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Re: Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2008, 08:03:13 AM »
I saw that...wonder what the deal was.  Gotta make sure it's unloaded at least twice, stick your pinky in the go hole, look away then check it again and keep your booger picker off the trigger....and if you are going to dry fire it point it somewhere safe.  Makes me wonder what was up...I think for a lot of these accidents we never get the true story.
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Re: Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2008, 08:05:26 AM »
How many people got caught or caught someone else with a fish hook this summer, how many people got splashed with cleaning fluids while cleaning their toilets, how many people caused a possible environmental issue by spilling gasoline at the gas station, how many people burnt themselves grilling ...

Anti gun media hype!

By the way, has anyone thought of the direction this is going with them always pointing out the number of "professional gun handlers" AKA Law Enforcement officers that are accidentally getting hurt or hurting with guns?  Can you hear it coming that if they can't be trusted how can we be trusted?
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Re: Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2008, 08:13:50 AM »
How many people got caught or caught someone else with a fish hook this summer, how many people got splashed with cleaning fluids while cleaning their toilets, how many people caused a possible environmental issue by spilling gasoline at the gas station, how many people burnt themselves grilling ...

Anti gun media hype!

By the way, has anyone thought of the direction this is going with them always pointing out the number of "professional gun handlers" AKA Law Enforcement officers that are accidentally getting hurt or hurting with guns?  Can you hear it coming that if they can't be trusted how can we be trusted?

I'm safer with my guns and handling them than they are. That's why we should be trusted.
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Re: Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2008, 08:19:24 AM »
............By the way, has anyone thought of the direction this is going with them always pointing out the number of "professional gun handlers" AKA Law Enforcement officers that are accidentally getting hurt or hurting with guns?  Can you hear it coming that if they can't be trusted how can we be trusted?

Yup. 
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Re: Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2008, 09:12:00 AM »
Familiarity breeds contempt. It only takes 1 careless second to do permanent harm. That being said, a dis assembly process that requires pulling the trigger does not help.

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Re: Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2008, 01:17:14 AM »
How many people got caught or caught someone else with a fish hook this summer, how many people got splashed with cleaning fluids while cleaning their toilets, how many people caused a possible environmental issue by spilling gasoline at the gas station, how many people burnt themselves grilling ...

Anti gun media hype!

By the way, has anyone thought of the direction this is going with them always pointing out the number of "professional gun handlers" AKA Law Enforcement officers that are accidentally getting hurt or hurting with guns?  Can you hear it coming that if they can't be trusted how can we be trusted?


Funny you should ask. Earlier this year I was scrubbing the tank of my toilet, not the bowl, so the bowl cleaner wasn't diluted by a bowlful of water. When the brush hit the corner a little geyser shot up into my eye. It made some small pits in my cornea that healed in a few days. But I never shot myself with a gun, so this is the only place you'll read about my accident. The good news is that the bowl cleaner I was using was made of acid. If it was caustic instead of acidic it could have ate a big hole in my eye and blinded me.  :o
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Re: Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 08:50:25 PM »
Familiarity breeds contempt. It only takes 1 careless second to do permanent harm. That being said, a dis assembly process that requires pulling the trigger does not help.

This should be null and void. This is strictly a matter of operator error. Once again it's not the gun's fault. It did nothing wrong. If you can't rack the slide all the way back and check the chamber to verify that it's unloaded.. as is instructed by the owners manual and common sense in safe gunhandling, then you shouldn't be holding a gun to start with.  :(  It's always some goober's fault. Gun's don't just "go off." Someone loads them.. cocks them...puts them in an unsafe position and then they don't point it in a safe direction etc.. yet everyone wants to blame the gun. What's up? .. I mean really..

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Re: Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 08:54:44 PM »
It only takes 1 careless second to do permanent harm.
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+1 on that..

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Re: Ohio Police Chief Shoots Himself While Teaching Daughter Gun Safety
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2008, 01:56:00 AM »
This should be null and void. This is strictly a matter of operator error. Once again it's not the gun's fault. It did nothing wrong. If you can't rack the slide all the way back and check the chamber to verify that it's unloaded.. as is instructed by the owners manual and common sense in safe gunhandling, then you shouldn't be holding a gun to start with.  :(  It's always some goober's fault. Gun's don't just "go off." Someone loads them.. cocks them...puts them in an unsafe position and then they don't point it in a safe direction etc.. yet everyone wants to blame the gun. What's up? .. I mean really..

Relax Hawkfish, It was not a slam at Glocks, I've been bit by similar things at work, Stop in the middle of the run, take the fixture out, flip it over spin it around a couple times while taking some measurements turn it BACK over ,put it back in the machine. Fixture goes in fine left to right or right to left, But it only makes GOOD parts one way, if some one asked a question or you got distracted some other way you may scrap a whole load of parts.
One second of carelessness / distraction leaves round in the chamber, on a 1911 you get it apart and say "HOLY CRAP THERE'S A ROUND STILL IN IT" because there is no point where you are required to pull the trigger, personally I always take the mag out first, jack the slide to eject chambered round, visually check the chamber, then do it again, and after years of broken tooling, if I do not specifically remember checking 2 times, I check again, ;D The simple fact is that a Glock is NOT a 1911 and with an action that requires pulling the trigger to disassemble ( Like my old bolt action Mossberg shot gun or many bolt action rifles) that one careless second MUST not occur when you are clearing the chamber.

 

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