Truth about FULL AUTO vs SEMI AUTO - from a cop !!!

[1776 Rebel]

I caught this link from the Outdoor Life blogs. It is a video which discusses "assault rifles". The presenter is a California cop. I have to say it is the best presentation, professionally produced, rational and authoritative I have seen. Wow. I wish there was more stuff like this around. Heck I wish the NRA would produce stuff like this. This cop is clean cut, has that California look, and is as well spoken as any professional TV type. This is worth passing around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf8x477c30&eurl=http://documentingfailure.blogspot.com/2008/11/truth-about-semi-automatic-firearms.html

P.S. I don't know how to create a pop up video link but maybe our dear moderator can do that for us. tks...

[DesertMarine]

Pretty good.  Only problem with it is that he states that full-auto rifles are prohibited to private citizens.  No so, unless rules have changed.  NFA allows for citizens to obtain full-auto rifles but have to register them w/BATF and pay $200 tax.  Other than that, excellent presentation.

[tt11758]

Pretty good.  Only problem with it is that he states that full-auto rifles are prohibited to private citizens.  No so, unless rules have changed.  NFA allows for citizens to obtain full-auto rifles but have to register them w/BATF and pay $200 tax.  Other than that, excellent presentation.

Actually I think there's a little more to it than just registering the weapon with BATF and paying a tax.  The owner must acquire the proper FFL that allows them to possess fully automatic weapons.  Probably just semantics, I realize, but since I am fairly certain there are those lurking on these boards that have a different agenda than most of us here, I don't figure we need to give them the idea that legal possession of fully automatic weapons is as easy as registering the gun and paying a few dollars in taxes.

As we all know, legally possessed weapons aren't the problem, but when the hell has that ever made a difference to the gun grabbers?

[PegLeg45]

http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/class3.htm

By:  Circuits of AR15.com

"Class 3" refers to a firearms dealer who has paid a special tax, called the "Special Occupational Tax" (SOT) to deal in machineguns and other National Firearms Act (NFA) weapons.

Machineguns, Sound suppressors, Short-Barrel Rifles and Shotguns, and Any Other Weapons (AOW) are all regulated and taxed under the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) as amended by Title 2 of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968.

Semi-auto and all other firearms except large-bore or explosive Destructive Devices are regulated under Title 1 of the Gun Control Act (GCA).

What most people mistakenly call Class 3 is properly referred to as NFA or Title 2 firearms.

A Class 3 SOT dealer is a dealer of NFA firearms
A Class 2 SOT manufacturer is a manufacturer of NFA firearms
A Class 1 SOT importer is an importer of NFA firearms

Type 1 FFL is a Title 1 dealer or gunsmith
Type 2 FFL is a Title 1 dealer doing business as a pawnbroker
Type 3 FFL is a licensed collector of Curio & Relic (C&R) firearms
Type 6 FFL is a licensed maker of ammunition and reloading components other than Armor Piercing ammunition
Type 7 FFL is a Title 1 manufacturer of firearms, ammunition and ammunition components other than NFA, Destructive Devices and Armor Piercing ammunition
Type 8 FFL is an importer of Title 1 firearms and ammunition
Type 9 FFL is a dealer in Title 1 firearms including NFA destructive devices, but no other NFA
Type 10 FFL is a manufacturer of Title 1 firearms, ammunition and ammunition components, including NFA Destructive Devices but no other NFA, and not including Armor Piercing ammunition
Type 11 FFL is an importer of Title 1 firearms, ammunition and NFA Destructive Devices, but no other NFA

To get a Class 3 SOT status, you need a dealer or manufacturer FFL which includes Type 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11 - and pay a yearly $500 tax due every July 1st.

To get a Class 2 SOT status, you need a manufacturer FFL, which includes Type 7, 10 - and pay a yearly $1000 or $500 (reduced rate for small manufacturers) tax due every July 1st.

To get a Class 1 SOT status, you need an importer FFL, which includes Type 8, 11- and pay a yearly $1000 or $500 (reduced rate for small importers) tax due every July 1st.

[Fatman]

I think there is more to it than just the tax / license. B-I-L has his carbine, told me you need to spell out EVERYTHING about it. Where exactly you keep it, etc.  You are also open to no notification social visits from BATF to make sure everything is as you say, at any time.

That was about 9 yrs ago, assume it's the same today.

[Sponsor]

[PegLeg45]

Or worse.

[Rob10ring]

That was so nice and clear. The part where he showed the cosmetic transition of the Mini-14 was pretty valuable to show to anti acquaintances, unless they then believe that the hunting guns are bad too.

I feel that to take the non-sporting argument away from the government, we should all stop using bolt guns for hunting and switch to "black" rifles. I think that Remington's R-15 and R-25 are a great stride toward the goal of convincing people that these guns fulfill the same sporting purposes as any other gun. If everyone is using AR type guns to hunt, I feel that Obiden will have a tougher time selling that line of bull that they normally peddle. I just wish that we could support Remington's effort in California.

[1776 Rebel]

Like any legal  issue it all depends, with regard to legality of a full auto weapon. The 1986 law banned civilian ownership of newly manufactured full auto machineguns. So I believe that is what the officer was referring to. But the older stuff can still be possesed. The following is from the BATF website....

(N2) May machine guns be transferred from one registered owner to another? [Back]

Yes. If the machine gun was lawfully registered and possessed before May 19, 1986, it may be transferred pursuant to an approved ATF Form 4.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o)(2), 26 U.S.C. 5812]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#n1

[tombogan03884]

I thought it was a clever touch that the "Semi Auto hunting rifle" he used was a Saiga, Exactly the same receiver as the 2 "Evil assault weapons". The bit with the Mini - 14 was an inspired illustration as well.

[PegLeg45]

I thought it was a clever touch that the "Semi Auto hunting rifle" he used was a Saiga, Exactly the same receiver as the 2 "Evil assault weapons". The bit with the Mini - 14 was an inspired illustration as well.

I have used the same basic demo with my Mini-14 several times to prove a point.