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Hazcat

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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2007, 08:49:26 AM »
Tex,

Here is a link to the ballistics for your round (it's on the Remington site)

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/handgun/golden_saber_HPJ.asp

I would think that if you contact them direct they could give more in depth info.

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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2007, 12:29:53 PM »
Low light personal defense, I would go with the 21 feet zero.

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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 10:36:32 AM »
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The big problem i am having is the off set from the center line of the muzzel to lazer relationship. I am having a wierd vector problem with the lazer being off paper at some distances nice tight group at others at point of impact, and the odvious discrepincy(stupid no spellcheck) from gravity trajectory changing the distance. There has to be a simple awnser which I am over looking but the one under your nose is always the hardest to find. Angry

I took m25operator's advice and talked to CT, and they let me know that the reason the laser was off on my pistol was the fact that it was sighted in on a 5" and I had switched it to a 4". The previous owner is owed a sorry form ol' Tex for questioning his trigger-control. But a big problem solved. Oh yeah, by the way CT recommends a 50' sight in. I asked why of course and with out any irritation the CT person awnsered, " you will be able to hit anything in a defencive setting with placing the dot on target with correct trigger control. Its also the factory setting we have tested and approved."
Now dudes and chicks I may question athority, but its hard to argue with the experts. He also stated that,"most people punch the trigger under stress so dotting the eye versus low dot, the low setup is better". Hope I never get to prove him wrong, but I am going with the lazer dot on top of front sight for dry-fire pratice which should put me around 2-3 inchs low at 21feet.

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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2007, 10:38:45 AM »
I took m25operator's advice and talked to CT, and they let me know that the reason the laser was off on my pistol was the fact that it was sighted in on a 5" and I had switched it to a 4". The previous owner is owed a sorry form ol' Tex for questioning his trigger-control. But a big problem solved. Oh yeah, by the way CT recommends a 50' sight in. I asked why of course and with out any irritation the CT person awnsered, " you will be able to hit anything in a defencive setting with placing the dot on target with correct trigger control. Its also the factory setting we have tested and approved."
Now dudes and chicks I may question athority, but its hard to argue with the experts. He also stated that,"most people punch the trigger under stress so dotting the eye versus low dot, the low setup is better". Hope I never get to prove him wrong, but I am going with the lazer dot on top of front sight for dry-fire pratice which should put me around 2-3 inchs low at 21feet.

Tex

Good Info to have Tex.  Thanks for clearing this up for all of us.
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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2007, 09:45:28 PM »
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Good Info to have Tex.  Thanks for clearing this up for all of us.

No prob. Hazcat, gald to be more help then trouble for once. ::)

I need to find those cool smilies that Marshal'ette has to ! my point at times

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Re: crimson trace zero
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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2007, 09:31:51 PM »
The laser will only intersect the path of the bullet on the rise and on the fall
This is true only if your laser, like your sights, is mounted above the barrel. The bullet's path is parabolic, rising from the muzzle to reach its peak, and then falling back to earth. If your Line Of Sight (or your laser) is above the barrel, you can be zeroed at 0 (no intercept between LOS and the parabola), 1 (LOS intercepts parabola only at the peak), or 2 distances (typical set-up, where the LOS intercepts the parabola on the rise and the fall).
If your line of sight is below the barrel, you can only zero at one distance. You can pick the distance, but you can only have 1 intercept between the LOS and the parabola.
This subject is further complicated by the fact that your laser, which functions as your LOS, is offset laterally to the right. At distances closer than your zero point, the group will be displaced slightly to the left of the dot. At distances beyond the zero point, it will be displaced progressively further to the right. At 2 zero distances, the group will be as far to the right of the dot as the laser is to the right of the bore axis. At 3 times the zero distance, it will be displaced twice that far, and at 6 times the zero distance, it will be 5 times that far. Consequently, even if you think you are going to use it at 1 yard, you shouldn't zero it at one yard, because at 7 yards that displacement will be significant. If you zero it at 50 feet, you have to be over 100 feet away before this creates a displacement any greater than the distance between the bore axis and the laser.
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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2007, 09:58:27 PM »
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If you zero it at 50 feet, you have to be over 100 feet away before this creates a displacement any greater than the distance between the bore axis and the laser.

almost word for word the awnser form CT. But I do not have the typing nor spellcheck for yours truly to post it. The maybe .OOOOO1% of a chance that I will engauge a 2 or 4 legged animal with my personal carry pistol over the sighted in 7yds. mark, (which after checking at range produces 1.5" to right and low @point-blank and the oppisite results @15yds) well i will either use my sights or possible at that time I will be using the D.R. Middlebrook FistFire system and I will not need either sight system  ;D

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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2007, 10:16:03 PM »
I guess I have to be the heretic here.

I really don't see a need for them. I know your all  :o but I think point and shoot is the way for most self defense situations.  As I stated in my update in the P=3AT thread i was nailing the target at 7 yards with no problem from the hip.  We did a two target set up and would try a one in the first then a  one two in the second and back for another in the first and many other variations.  I think that if I had had a laser I would have been looking for it instead of at the 'whole picture'.

I know some (most?) will disagree but that's the way I see it.  Know you gun and practice and you'll do fine.

BTW I am FAR from a super shooter like I have seen on this thread  like TEX, 2How, Squibby and I am sure many others .
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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2007, 10:28:29 PM »
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BTW I am FAR from a super shooter like I have seen on this thread  like TEX, 2How, Squibby and I am sure many others .

Good to know, glad I am getting Squibby in the "AirSoft Shootout" giveaway! :)
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Re: crimson trace zero
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2007, 10:29:42 PM »
Good to know, glad I am getting Squibby in the "AirSoft Shootout" giveaway! :)

HEY!  I had first dibs on Squib!  >:(
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