Just a mom who happens to carry a gun

[ericire12]

This is a nice read.....

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2008/12/jim_zengerle_the_lebanon_daily.html

[alfsauve]

She runs a child care service?   By the way she answered those questions, I'd of thought she was on the Harvard debate team.

That's what really bugs the anti's isn't it.  She's not a stereotypical soccer mom.  Not a hunter, doesn't shoot for the fun of it.  She just refuses to be a victim.

[Fatman]

Good for her. What cracks me up is we gun owners don't give people who choose not to exercise their right to own or carry a hard time.  Apparently live and let live is a one way street.

[Landor]

She was in a live debate on TV.

Be warned. The anti gunners on this debate are spineless cowards.
http://www.lildobe.net/gallery2/v/PAFOA/Meleanie/SFN+on+Lyn+Doyle.flv.html

She is suing the sheriff that had her CCW taken away and the Brady Bunch offered the sheriff and attorney paid for by them.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/122844030261750.xml&coll=1

[ericire12]

Another article on the subject:

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-5brady.6736454jan11,0,2637420.column

Eastern Pennsylvania, it seems, has become a focal point for people who prefer a softening of both democracy and self-reliance.

A law-abiding woman is fighting efforts by bullies to suppress her rights.

Lebanon County Sheriff Michael DeLeo decided that only the power structure's people have the right to be armed -- the Bill of Rights be damned. So he revoked a gun permit issued to Meleanie Hain after people at a soccer game said they saw her with a holstered pistol.

In October, The Morning Call carried a brief story about Lebanon County Judge Robert Eby ruling that DeLeo had to obey the law and return the permit. In November, another story said Hain took DeLeo to court over his illegal action.

I thought that was that, until two weeks ago, when the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence sent me an e-mail from Washington, attacking Hain for exercising her rights.

Hain ''posed a danger to the community,'' the Brady Center said, and her court action ''has no legal basis and should be thrown out.''

Daniel Vice, a lawyer for the Brady Center, was quoted as saying this: ''It should be obvious to anyone that a civilian bringing an openly carried, loaded semiautomatic weapon to a child's soccer game poses a grave risk to the community.''

I promptly e-mailed some questions to Vice.

I asked if only the agents of government have the right to bear such weapons (as was the case in Zinnemann's Austria). Should everyone, I asked, ''have blind faith in government people and no one else? In view of what we regularly see government people do, would that not strike you as a demented approach?''

I asked if there is something significant about Hain having a semiautomatic weapon. ''Is it not a fact that police officers routinely carry such weapons?''

The Brady Center has argued that the Bill of Rights gives the right to bear arms only to a militia, which now is represented by the government-controlled National Guard.

So I asked this: ''Are you saying it was the intent of the Founding Fathers that only the agents of government ... should have the right to bear arms? Are you familiar with the way virtually all of the Founding Fathers defined 'militia?' (They said a militia consisted of citizens not under the control of government.)''

I asked Vice if he knew of other nations (say, Nazi Germany or modern Mexico) where rigid gun control has worked well. Is there more crime in Switzerland, with its universal right for citizens to be armed, or in a police state like Mexico?

I asked about law enforcement officials violating other specific constitutional rights. ''Will the Brady Center support law enforcement officials who selectively violate free speech, religion, search and seizure, or other enumerated rights?''

That was two weeks ago, but Vice has not yet replied.

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[ericire12]

UPDATE: She and her husband are found shot dead

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ji_m8YJlPgzZql8nKtV43aJPDpugD9B737DG1

Gun-toting Pa. soccer mom, husband found shot dead

By MARK SCOLFORO (AP) – 1 hour ago

LEBANON, Pa. — The husband of the Pennsylvania soccer mom found dead in an apparent-murder suicide was a parole officer and former prison guard.

Autopsies are planned Friday for 31-year-old Meleanie Hain and 33-year-old Scott Hain. They were pronounced dead Wednesday night at their home in Lebanon.

Meleanie Hain made headlines after she attended her daughter's soccer game on Sept. 11, 2008, with a gun in plain view on her hip. A sheriff revoked her gun-carrying permit, but a judge reinstated it.

The Corrections Department says Scott Hain was a state parole officer since August 2008 and previously was a state prison guard.

Police are offering few details on the shooting, including the weapons used.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

LEBANON, Pa. (AP) — A mother of three who gained national notoriety after she openly carried a loaded handgun to her daughter's soccer game was shot dead along with her husband in what appeared to be a murder-suicide.

Meleanie Hain, 31, and Scott Hain 33, were pronounced dead shortly after 8:30 p.m. Wednesday at their 1 1/2-story brick home in Lebanon, a small city about 80 miles west of Philadelphia.

The couple's three children home at the time but weren't hurt, police told the Patriot-News in Harrisburg. They were taken to stay with friends and relatives.

Some neighbors told the Lebanon Daily News they heard or saw the children — a 10-year-old boy and girls aged 2 and 6 — running from the house and screaming "Daddy shot Mommy!" shortly before the 911 emergency center was alerted at 6:20 p.m.

Debbie Mise, who lives nearby, said she heard a strange sound following by the screams of the children.

"I heard something heavy drop or fall, and then right away I heard the kids screaming, but I thought they were playing," Mise said. "It was loud. But it didn't sound like a pop."

Lebanon Police Chief Daniel Wright said Thursday that the case is classified as a "death investigation" involving two adult victims, but that no one outside the home nor any of the children is suspected of killing the couple. Detectives were still at the scene late Thursday morning, he said.

Wright said he did not plan to release any additional information about the case until after Lebanon County Coroner Dr. Jeffrey Yocum conducts autopsies on Friday.

Details about the shootings and what prompted the violence remained unclear Thursday morning.

Neighbor Mark Long said the Hains had been having marital problems for about a week. He said Scott Hain had left home on Tuesday, and Meleanie Hain didn't know where he was, but that he returned Wednesday.

Another neighbor, Brian Witmer, said he saw Scott Hain mowing his lawn around 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

"There was nothing out of the ordinary," he said. "He didn't seem strange at all."

Scott Hain worked as a parole officer in neighboring Berks County, the News reported. He was formerly a guard at the Camp Hill state prison, according to the newspaper.

Meleanie Hain made headlines after she attended her then 5-year-old daughter's soccer game in a park on Sept. 11, 2008, with her 9mm Glock pistol in plain view holstered on her hip, upsetting other parents.

The county sheriff, Michael DeLeo, revoked her gun-carrying permit nine days later.

Hain successfully appealed the permit revocation, although the judge who restored the permit questioned her judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of other people at the game.

Hain sued DeLeo in federal court, alleging that he violated her constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously when he took the permit away. She said that because of his actions her baby-sitting service had suffered, her children had been harassed and she had been ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents.

DeLeo said at Hain's appeal that he revoked her permit after fielding the parents' complaints. He said he based his decision on a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from being given to anyone whose character and reputation make him or her a danger to public safety.

After Hain sued DeLeo, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which says it tries to reform the gun industry through sensible regulations, offered to defend him for free.

"It is a case that calls out for common sense," Brady Center attorney Daniel Vice said then. "It's ridiculous to bring a gun to a child's soccer game."

A court hearing on Hain's $1 million lawsuit was postponed in May after an attorney in the case was involved in a traffic accident.

[JdePietro]

While not known personally to me, I was a member of some of the boards she frequented and have met her at a few of the events we attended. My heart goes out to her children and family.

[m25operator]

Very Sad  I hate to read or hear it. What a waste.

[fightingquaker13]

This is nine kinds of screwed up. The worst part, other than the pain those poor kids are suffering, is the fact that the Brady bunch will smile and say "I told you so". Screw 'em.
FQ13

[fightingquaker13]

You know, the more I think about this, the angrier I get. I just do not understand jealousy. I have been in a number of relationships over the years. A couple of the women weren't exactly faithful. I didn't get pissed, I just asked if it was to be me or him. I figured if she wanted someone else it was her choice and fair enough, just be honest about it. I'm pushing 40 and I have never hit a woman ever, not even in grade school because I was raised better. Killing yourself when you have young kids is unforgiveable. Killing your children's mother before you go? There isn't a place bad enough to send you. I just don't get this level of narcissim. Yet we see it. Here in sunny Florida a couple of months ago a guy lost custody of his daughters (young, like 10 or so) because he beat his wife. So naturally, he grabs the kids, chains them to a bed and lights the house on fire, with him and them stuck inside. The coward shot himself, but not the girls, they got to die of fire and (we hope) smoke inhalation. All this to punish the mother. This is why I'm a feminist. The idea that women are chattel leads to this. Honestly the fact that this woman died young, bloody, betrayed and over someone elses issues pisses me off. Rant over.
FQ13 who is going to pour himself a rum and coke