Many shooters are frogs.

[alfsauve]

The old fable talks about putting a frog in a pot of warm water and slowly turning up the heat.  Well that's what shooters are doing to themselves, concerning the new gun laws.   Slowly by supporting one law at a time (or doing nothing to stop these proposals) they're allowing our RKBA to be eroded away. 

Now I can understand a single discipline shooter who doesn't get out much beyond their one shooting activity, not understanding the implications of the Brady proposal.   They don't subscribe to any publications that keeps them up-to-date on the politics involved and they're not part of the on-line community.   Isolated folks, just content on their one lily pad.  Blithely unaware of the impending doom.  BUT, to find a folks in some of the more active and virulent forums who support one or more of the Brady provisions is mind boggling.

Below are some comments from other forums on the Gun Show Loophole.  Understand that ATF doesn't regulate SALES, but TRANSFERS.  And that Gun Show Loophole is a euphemism for ALL TRANSFERS, PRIVATE and COMMERCIAL.   These people don't realize the implication, even if they never buy another gun.  Nor do they realize that this is a path towards total registration of all guns and then eventually confiscation (one type of gun at a time.)

Here's what some others are saying about Gun Show Loophole, NICS and background checks: (some paraphrased)

-This proposed law makes sense.
-....proposal makes sense to me....
-What they should do is require by law that all potential firearm purchasers go through the NICS check.
-I truly believe that it is possible to enjoy firearm ownership with background checks for all firearm transactions
-What is wrong with requiring background checks for handgun transfers?
-What is wrong with requiring a minimum safety course?
-By submitting myself to a background check for CCW, I think I have alleviated the possibility that I may have something to hide.

In a friendly way, we need to inform our shooting buddies, that these proposals are not "sensible" nor "reasonable" nor are they the ultimate goal.   Brady, et. al.  won't be stopped until the private ownership of ALL firearms (and airguns) is prohibited.  These are just "next step" proposals.

[MikeBjerum]

Excellent post!

Gun owners can be divided between so many areas that they either don't even know about some of the others or care about them.  Remember the whole Jim Zumbo mess based on a lack of understanding.  If a person with the knowledge, experience and access to the public can get sucked into the fray, think how easy it is for the anti's to divide and conquer the rest of the general public ...AND THEY KNOW IT!!!

It would be a tough, if not impossible, job to change the 10% that are anti, so it is important that the 10% gun lovers remain united and do their best to shine a positive light in front of and bring to our side the 80% neutral.

[ericire12]

Great analogy.

[tombogan03884]

In the years prior to the NFA a 10 year old could mail order a howitzer (if he had the money) or Maxim machine gun from companies like Bannerman's. Before the GCA 68, the same 10 year old, some of you in fact probably did this, could MAIL ORDER a rifle, pistol, or shot gun. We did not have school shooting's and mass murders, in fact the crime rate has never since been as low as it was then.
Stupid may be an insult, IGNORANT is a technical term that means "lacking information". It is up to us to marginalize the stupid and cure the ignorant.

[alfsauve]

I did say that the MAIN thing that disturbed me was these comments came not from the general populous, but from a very active on-line SHOOTING forum!

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[tombogan03884]

I did say that the MAIN thing that disturbed me was these comments came not from the general populous, but from a very active on-line SHOOTING forum!

That was one of the things I've disliked about other forums. Many WANT to remain ignorant of anything outside their specific niche, and will scream bloody murder when you attempt to educate them.
Just because they are on a SHOOTING forum does not mean they know anything other than one little corner, say Skeet guns. Guy might know everything there is to know about every skeet gun ever used, and still be unable to figure out how to load a revolver. If the level of ignorance is this high among various types of shooters think of how much worse it is among the general public.

[MikeBjerum]

That was one of the things I've disliked about other forums. Many WANT to remain ignorant of anything outside their specific niche, and will scream bloody murder when you attempt to educate them.
Just because they are on a SHOOTING forum does not mean they know anything other than one little corner, say Skeet guns. Guy might know everything there is to know about every skeet gun ever used, and still be unable to figure out how to load a revolver. If the level of ignorance is this high among various types of shooters think of how much worse it is among the general public.

It's not just forums.  Go down to the local range and listen to the cat fights (nothing personal Haz).

The rimfire and handgun shooters can't get along, everyone hates the full auto guys, the "serious" shooters hate the plinkers and the plinkers think the 'serious" shooters are going to drown in the next rain storm.

Go to a wild game feed and listen to the "traditional" archery clan go after the compound bow crowd, all archers go after the crossbow group, the archers blast the rifle shooters, the rifle shooters complain about archery and muzzleloaders, and everyone that is afraid of the handgun hunters.

We have so many little squabbles going, and many in each group have no problem with limiting something within the other group.

Oh ... and never forget that most people have bought into the idea that the 2nd Amendment only is only justified so we can preserve our "hunting heritage."

[TAB]

I have little doubts that some time in the next 10 years all firearms sales will have to got thru a FFL.   

What bothers me about that is things like waiting periods, LEO/ CCW pass on Back ground checks and fees.     For example in CA since 99 all gun sales have to go thru a dealer... the rub is it will cost 20 for the transfer( min and max by law)  and between 20 and 25 for the back ground check.( once again min and max)

[2HOW]

Its really not about the guns, its about the rights. It just happens that we collectively are in danger. If it was any other amendment that guaranteed any other right it would be the same concern to them. I think this fact gets lost in the shuffle.

[TAB]

every single one of our rights has restrictions on it...

 I don't see a diffrence between them.    many in the gun community ( more so online) really beleave that the 2a is diffrent from the rest.