I have an idea for show

[Timmy Jimmy]

I carry a Kimber ultra CDP 1911 in condition 1 in a IWB holster. I see a lot of discussions on other forums about safety and if it is safe to carry condition 1 with a 1911. Then it always comes up that someone says a 1911 is safer than a glock because there is no manual safety on a glock. The argument goes on an on. Then there are the people that believe as long as the gun is in a holster it is safe!

So I was thinking someone should do a safety test, by taking a number of different types of guns in all sorts of different states of readiness (like a 1911 locked and cocked in a holster, a 1911 locked and cocked not in a holster, a 1911 with one in the chamber but the hammer down in and out of a holster, the same thing with a revolver, a glock, and what ever other types of guns. Put them all in a Cement Mixing Truck (I think they are thick enough that a bullet would not penetrate it) and see if any of them go off in 10 minutes or an hour.

My guess is that none of the guns in a holster would ever fire, and that the other guns have a good shot at getting their triggers pulled.

Just an idea I think would make a good show.

[CDR]

I would feel confident that the 1911 wouldn't go off, even in a cement truck.  The thumb safety might get knocked off, but I can't see the grip safety being pushed in simultaneously while the trigger is depressed,  Too many inherent safties on a 1911 to cause concern...cocked and locked is very safe.  I remember reading something a while ago where a 1911, in cocked and locked position, was subjected to a number of various tests to try and get it to go off and it never did.  One test included throwing it down a hill and it was completely uneffected.  Your test sounds interesting Timmy but would probably be more in tune with the kind of tests "Mythbusters" routinely perform.

[Hazcat]

TJ,

That sounds like a good idea but might be a tad expensive. 

How a bout finding someone that has done a study of the most common ways an AD happens and how to avoid them, include a breakdown by make and model of firearm and you would have a pretty good idea of 'what's safe'.

[texcaliber]

Cocked-N-Lock is the way to go.  There are more safties engaged this way but............... then again the only thing unsafe about any of the carry conditions is the lack of training or false training. Anybody that thinks a safty or anything else can stop a idiot from a AD is wrong. You have to put you finger in the trigger guard and touch that metal thingy to make it bang. So TimmyJimmy if condition1 is what make you feel safe that what you should do. If you want to try other methods get training. Anyone that says hammer-down carry is just as fast is lying to you, themself or both. Do not care how you try to argue it, if it was good you would see it in competition. PERIOD! Hammer down was and is for Old guys who know that they are set in thier ways and no matter how odvious that cocked-n-lock is proven safe everyone is dumb for testing it in the first place. I see it eveyweek and i have grown numb of it. These same people do not hesitate to wear or put a revolver in pocket. 
Just saying man.

tex

[Overload]

California has a drop test that must be passed to allow sales in that state.  SM&A used to do this before they closed.  Unless there's an NDA, I'm sure whomever is doing/ did this would have stories of guns failing or not failing the drop test.

[Sponsor]

[CDR]

Here's an idea for a drop test.........lets line up "Reverend" Jessie Jackson, Hillary Clinton, Carolyn McCarthy, Charles Shumer, Michael Bloomberg, Rudy Giuliani and Ted Kennedy and repeatedly drop a 1911, Glock 19, Sig P226, Springfield XD and Smith and Wesson M&P on to each of their heads increasing the distance dropped until one goes "bang".........thicker skulls one will not find.  The "winning skull" gets to have dinner with Ted Nugent, Fred Thompson and Michael who can try knocking some sense into at least one of these idiots. Dinner will be served in Michael's basement next to the reloading equipment.

Hopefully this test will meet with OSHA requirements.

[texcaliber]

I will bet that Kennedy has the thickest skull, and thats a sucker-bet. I have after a long wait watched "Shooter" and i swear that the Congresss man in the movie is based after ol' Eddie Kennedy. The scumbag nature and lack of morals, yup thats "kennedy" for ya. Profanitys are spewin from my mouth as i type. 

I have to go and say some Your Fathers for my mouth............


Tex............unhappy in MA without away out!  BIG TIME!

[CDR]

I will bet that Kennedy has the thickest skull, and thats a sucker-bet. I have after a long wait watched "Shooter" and i swear that the Congresss man in the movie is based after ol' Eddie Kennedy. The scumbag nature and lack of morals, yup thats "kennedy" for ya. Profanitys are spewin from my mouth as i type. 

I have to go and say some Your Fathers for my mouth............


Tex............unhappy in MA without away out!  BIG TIME!

We can guess who's bringing the scotch.  'Ol Teddy boy probably still has some of his father's stash from his bootlegging days.

[texcaliber]

HA, NO JOKING MAN,I bet them Kennedy boys even have an I.V. just for that.

Tex

[Dakotaranger]

I carry a Kimber ultra CDP 1911 in condition 1 in a IWB holster. I see a lot of discussions on other forums about safety and if it is safe to carry condition 1 with a 1911. Then it always comes up that someone says a 1911 is safer than a glock because there is no manual safety on a glock. The argument goes on an on. Then there are the people that believe as long as the gun is in a holster it is safe!

So I was thinking someone should do a safety test, by taking a number of different types of guns in all sorts of different states of readiness (like a 1911 locked and cocked in a holster, a 1911 locked and cocked not in a holster, a 1911 with one in the chamber but the hammer down in and out of a holster, the same thing with a revolver, a glock, and what ever other types of guns. Put them all in a Cement Mixing Truck (I think they are thick enough that a bullet would not penetrate it) and see if any of them go off in 10 minutes or an hour.

My guess is that none of the guns in a holster would ever fire, and that the other guns have a good shot at getting their triggers pulled.

Just an idea I think would make a good show.

I'm with him...this is a good idea.