"New global order"

[Fatman]

Yep, yep. Politicians are clueless in general, but the crisis they helped foster is just perfect for"globalization". We apparently need a world-wide "EU" style government. You know, the one where the people have no voice, just the politicians.  Never mind that when the lone EU nation with a set gave their people the vote on the EU Constitution it was shot down, and the that government in turn cast a nay vote.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown insisted that the (financial) crisis, which has forced his government to intervene to shore up banks, should give rise to "a new global order."

"As some want, we could close our markets -- for capital, financial services, trade and for labour -- and therefore reduce the risks of globalisation," he said, according to the text of a speech issued by his office.

"Or we could view the threats and challenges we face today as the difficult birth-pangs of a new global order -- and our task now as nothing less than making the transition through a new internationalism to the benefits of an expanding global society."

Full article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090126/bs_afp/financeeconomyworld

[runstowin]

This present economic crisis is a planned event, and it will get worse, much worse. The TARP plan, the economic stimulus plan etc. will only increase the rate of inflation. So what we get is a small check for you and me, and a few very large checks for some highly wealthy families. It's called wealth transfer, take from the poorer, and give to the richer. The end of the line? Making you and me and our families peasants, for the purpose of serving the few, the proud, our betters.

[Frosty]

You should google the NAU - you may be surprised as to what has been in the plans for some time now America needs to stop watching American Idol and other mindless shows, start paying attention to what our so called leaders are and aren't doing. They are doing what they want to do because Americans are at the mall and they know it. One day we'll wake up when they have stripped all our rights away and our Country then say what happened?
As an unknown U.S. Marine in Iraq said "America's not at War the Marines are at war, America's at the mall"

[PegLeg45]

Amen.
You two just said a mouthful of truth.
As a nation, the populace has by and large over the past few decades been trained to play and sleep, and play and sleep, and depend on the gubmint....and oh yeah, play and sleep. All the while ignorant of the fact that they are being taught to give up a little at the time until the alarm clock goes off and everyone wakes up under the control of 'the masters hand' (Big Brother?).
Do as I say do.....not as I do.

[tombogan03884]

I don't know about planned, that would mean taking it all the way back to William Jennings Bryan, and his "Cross of Gold" speech. He was a Socialist, as was FDR who took us of an intrinsic value currency.
As for the rest of it, We aren't ALL dumb, or asleep.

[Sponsor]

[Pathfinder]

I too think it was planned - and is being planned. Not to the details necessarily, but as in having guiding principles (such as those from Saul Alinsky, one of bho's guiding lights - Hitlery studied with Alinsky, bho actually applied what he taught) and then taking advantage of events to spin them, twist them, and in general use them to their means.

Libs are like cockroaches, they multiple, and seemingly outlive everything else. Since they don't have a God or salvation, they can die happy knowing just that they did their part to further the socialist cause.

What I don't understand is this: What part of Hitler was leader of the National Socialist Party do libs not get? Is this what you really want? I know many Jews who are libs, and this question always stumps them, until they lamely announce "Well, that's not what is happening here!"

Here's the bottom line - socialism (and its evil cousin communism) are bad - bad for rights, bad for the individual, bad for everyone except those in power. Period.

[tombogan03884]

I too think it was planned - and is being planned. Not to the details necessarily, but as in having guiding principles (such as those from Saul Alinsky, one of bho's guiding lights - Hitlery studied with Alinsky, bho actually applied what he taught) and then taking advantage of events to spin them, twist them, and in general use them to their means.

Libs are like cockroaches, they multiple, and seemingly outlive everything else. Since they don't have a God or salvation, they can die happy knowing just that they did their part to further the socialist cause.

What I don't understand is this: What part of Hitler was leader of the National Socialist Party do libs not get? Is this what you really want? I know many Jews who are libs, and this question always stumps them, until they lamely announce "Well, that's not what is happening here!"

Here's the bottom line - socialism (and its evil cousin communism) are bad - bad for rights, bad for the individual, bad for everyone except those in power. Period.

That's where you, and everyone else on both sides is wrong. The leaders in a autocratic society be it Communism, socialism, Nazism, or even Monarchy, may be better off as far as MATERIAL wealth is concerned, but read the histories of the Soviet union, or Nazi Germany and you will that the leaders are all involved in a constant battle for influence with the "Leader" and non stop turf wars for power. And as Julius Caesar found out, not all the back stabbing is metaphorical.
Look at the number of Soviet bigshots who died in "plane crashes"or had "heart attacks". For that matter look at what happened to Ernst Roehm.

[PegLeg45]

I don't know about planned, that would mean taking it all the way back to William Jennings Bryan, and his "Cross of Gold" speech. He was a Socialist, as was FDR who took us of an intrinsic value currency.
As for the rest of it, We aren't ALL dumb, or asleep.

Understood.......but it doesn't take ALL....just most.
As my dad used to say, "Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups", and the nation is getting dumber by the generation. A 'target-rich' environment for the power hungry in D.C.

[brosometal]

This present economic crisis is a planned event, and it will get worse, much worse. The TARP plan, the economic stimulus plan etc. will only increase the rate of inflation. So what we get is a small check for you and me, and a few very large checks for some highly wealthy families. It's called wealth transfer, take from the poorer, and give to the richer. The end of the line? Making you and me and our families peasants, for the purpose of serving the few, the proud, our betters.

I believe we could waste days and column inches with a debate like this.  It can just as easily be attributed to social entropy. 

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Or, as tombogan has reminded me, via the Magpul website:  "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." 

I don't believe there are few controlling many.  I think there are a few elected by many who if need be could not find their collective ass from a hole in the ground.

[tombogan03884]

I believe we could waste days and column inches with a debate like this.  It can just as easily be attributed to social entropy. 

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Or, as tombogan has reminded me, via the Magpul website:  "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." 

I don't believe there are few controlling many.  I think there are a few elected by many who if need be could not find their collective ass from a hole in the ground.

Wow, I said that ? I have GOT to reread some of my old posts   

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