More Gun Laws = More Gun Crime

[tt11758]

We all KNOW this to be a fact, but ABC did a 20/20 segment, which was surprisingly informative and UNbiased.  I'm surprised it ever saw the light of day.

http://splodetv.com/more-gun-laws-more-gun-crimes

[TAB]

Actually it has been proven time and time again that guns play no role in crime stats.

[MikeBjerum]

When was that produced?  The only date I saw was Sept. 2007.  Regardless, we need to thank ABC for the fair reporting as a way of encouraging more of the same.

I would rather put up with some negative press because it is true and balanced, than to get the false negative that comes with biased reporting.

[ericire12]

Actually it has been proven time and time again that guns play no role in crime stats.

WRONG! (and you have yet to ever give any credible evidence to back up this outlandish statement that you continually issue)






Here are a few that disprove your "theory"
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=4894.msg57915#msg57915

According to a study by criminologist Gary Kleck of Florida State University, “[R]obbery and assault victims who used a gun to resist were less likely to be attacked or to suffer an injury than those who used any other methods of self-protection or those who did not resist at all.” In approximately 2.5 million instances each year, someone uses a firearm, predominantly a handgun, for self defense in this nation.  

In research sponsored by the U.S. Department of Justice, in which almost 2,000 felons were interviewed, 34% of felons said they had been “scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim" and 40% of these criminals admitted that they had been deterred from committing a crime out of fear that the potential victim was armed.

Allowing law-abiding people to arm themselves offers more than piece of mind for those individuals -- it pays off for everybody through lower crime rates.  Statistics from the FBI’s Uniformed Crime Report of 2007 show that states with right-to-carry laws have a 30% lower homicide rate, 46% lower robbery, and 12% lower aggravated assault rate and a 22% lower overall violent crime rate than do states without such laws.  That is why more and more states have passed right-to-carry laws over the past decade.  

In 1987, my home state of Florida enacted a “shall issue” law that has become the model for other states. Anti-gun groups, politicians and the news media predicted the new law would lead to vigilante justice and “Wild West” shootouts on every corner.

But since adopting a concealed carry law Florida’s total violent crime rate has dropped 32% and its homicide rate has dropped 58%. Floridians, except for criminals, are safer due to this law. And Florida is not alone. Texas’ violent crime rate has dropped 20% and homicide rate has dropped 31%, since enactment of its 1996 carry law.

A report by John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard of the University of Chicago released in 1996 found "that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths."  Further, the Lott-Mustard study noted, "If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravate assaults would have been avoided yearly."  

Should your natural right to self defense and your Constitutional right to bear arms end when you cross a state line?  I think not.
 
That is why I, along with Representative Rich Boucher (D-Va.) introduced H.R. 197, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act.

[TAB]

Ok please tell me how they proved that it was guns that cuased those drops and not something else?


I'll wait.

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[MikeBjerum]

Ok please tell me how they proved that it was guns that cuased those drops and not something else?


I'll wait.

You tell us what else it could be.  If there has not been a huge decrease in the criminal population as a percentage of the total population, or a huge visible and constant presence of law enforcement, what else would cause this change?

[ericire12]

Ok please tell me how they proved that it was guns that cuased those drops and not something else?


I'll wait.

So you think that it is pure coincidence that states with right-to-carry laws have a 30% lower homicide rate, 46% lower robbery, 12% lower aggravated assault rate and a 22% lower overall violent crime rate than states without such laws?

You think that it just magically happened that Florida had a decrease of 32% in violent crime and a decrease in the homicide rate of 58% once they allowed for concealed carry?

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that the two are correlated. Yes, the FBI's crime report is merely giving the statistics of what happened after the laws were changed, but I think it is patently obvious that loosening draconian gun laws reduces crime. I am not saying that there are not other factors aside from the actual presence of guns that could be at play here. After all, there does not actually have to be a gun present to deter crime -- just a reasonable belief that there might be one could be enough of a deterent.

However, to say that "it has been proven time and time again that guns play no role in crime stats" is nothing but garbage....... So, I'll ask you again to present evidence that supports your claim??

I'll wait.
 

[TAB]

So you think that it is pure coincidence that states with right-to-carry laws have a 30% lower homicide rate, 46% lower robbery, 12% lower aggravated assault rate and a 22% lower overall violent crime rate than states without such laws?

You think that it just magically happened that Florida had a decrease of 32% in violent crime and a decrease in the homicide rate of 58% once they allowed for concealed carry?

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that the two are correlated. Yes, the FBI's crime report is merely giving the statistics of what happened after the laws were changed, but I think it is patently obvious that loosening draconian gun laws reduces crime. I am not saying that there are not other factors aside from the actual presence of guns that could be at play here. After all, there does not actually have to be a gun present to deter crime -- just a reasonable belief that there might be one could be enough of a deterent.

However, to say that "it has been proven time and time again that guns play no role in crime stats" is nothing but garbage....... So, I'll ask you again to present evidence that supports your claim??

I'll wait.
 

ok if more guns = less crime, explain to me how AK has the most sexual assualts then any other state?

there you don't even need a CCW...

Maybe its something else...

[ericire12]

Still waiting....

[1911 Junkie]

Man, got kinda quiet around here.
Probably the same coincidence that when firearms are restricted crime rates go up.