More Gun Laws = More Gun Crime

[TAB]

So where is your proof that guns are the reasons for the decline?


Still waiting on that.

I know guns play zero role in crime figures.   There are just too many factors envoled when it comes to how people act, to narrow it down to Something like guns.   I would love to see some one prove me wrong about that, but it just has not happend and never will.

[MikeBjerum]

Tab,

I am convinced you are a woman.

You go along fine, and play well with all of us on here for a few weeks at a time, and then you go through periods like the last few days where all you do is pick fights 

[Big Frank]

I try to see all sides of all issues, but TAB, no matter how hard I try, I just can't see things from your perspective. 

[ericire12]

TAB, it is almost comical that you cant see the correlation between citizens being allowed to CCW and a dramatic reduction in crime.

To use Alaska's sexual assault rate (also with no reference given for this info) as your only defense is ridiculous. You are citing one instance to disprove statistics given by the FBI that shows that on a macro level it is highly successful. To ignore this does show that you have very selective hearing (See jumbofrank's post).

Alaska is very isolated and unique in terms of geography, demographic and culture as compared to the rest of the U.S. If loose gun laws did not have a strong impact on crime there, I could see how there might be other factors in play in that state.

What you said in your first post in this thread (and in the many other times you've said it in other threads) is unsubstantiated. I dont know why you continue to buy into this notion, but spreading your misguided beliefs as gospel fact is reckless and dangerous.    

[Rob10ring]

Actually it has been proven time and time again that guns play no role in crime stats.

When convicts are interviewed about why they leave some targets and pick others, the number one reason cited was that they feared that the potential target may have been armed and they feared getting shot. That is distinct proof that crime was, at the very least, reduced for those potential targets. There is no more direct proof that guns effect crime than this.

Tab, I don't get it. Are you really a liberal plant, or maybe a sheep in sheepdog's clothing? Sometimes it seems that you believe in the right to bare arms and other times it seems like you're on board with the people who believe in "reasonable" restrictions/infringements. I don't mean to attack you. I just wonder where you're coming from. Are you just trying to be the devil's advocate?



   
A Tale of Two Cities

2/2/2009

Two cities face each other across the U.S.-Mexican border. 

In one of them, oppressive gun control restricts legal firearm ownership to an elite few approved by the bureaucrats in power. In the other city, the right to keep and bear arms is respected by the constitutions of the nation and the state. 

Which city -Juarez, Mexico or El Paso, Texas -resembles a war zone?

Juarez had over 1,500 murders in 2008. That's a homicide rate of more than 100 per 100,000. Just across the border, El Paso's population of 600,000 had just 16 murders in 2008. 

American gun control advocates claim that if only we'd pass "common-sense restrictions" like they have in Juarez, our city streets would be safer. That's nonsense! Mexico's gun control laws haven't stopped the drug cartels from turning Juarez into a killing zone.

Meanwhile, El Paso's law-and-order mentality goes hand in hand with legal gun ownership. Of the tens of thousands of gun owners in El Paso, thousands are Right-to-Carry permit holders. And El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation. 

The difference between Juarez and El Paso is as clear as night and day ... because it's as clear as the difference between gun control and crime control.

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[tombogan03884]

Look at Dallas/ FW, compared to NY. Or for that matter compare the 2006 numbers for Baghdad and Washington. An American was safer in Baghdad at the height of the insurgency than he was in Washington DC.

[TAB]

Those numbers for sexual assualts came from the FBI.

Since your using the FBI, they have said more then once that guns have no role in gun stats.


Just as the FBI said the AWB did nothing to effect crime.   

[Rob10ring]

Those numbers for sexual assualts came from the FBI.

Since your using the FBI, they have said more then once that guns have no role in gun stats.


Just as the FBI said the AWB did nothing to effect crime.   

But the FBI did prove that the most effective method of defense against a violent attack is a gun, even when their study was originally commissioned to show the opposite.

[twyacht]

Was the AK sexual assault correlated for population? 10,000 people in Nome, AK had "x" number equals a higher percentage than

a city like Dallas or Miami with a couple million.

Stats can be a double edged sword.

[TAB]

Was the AK sexual assault correlated for population? 10,000 people in Nome, AK had "x" number equals a higher percentage than

a city like Dallas or Miami with a couple million.

Stats can be a double edged sword.

It was per capita.( IE per person.  take the number of SA divide by population)