Okay, here is an ammo question for you

[Thanos]

Suppose they ban ammo or make it too hard to get...blah blah blah...

There has to be machines out there that can make the brass and you could source the chemicals to make the powder (China did it a billion years ago) how hard would it be to set up your very own ammunition factory?

Anyone ever seen the machines that make the brass? I was thinking about it the other day and I think it would be a pretty easy thing to make with some of the equipment I have seen. Primers, that might be the hardest part. I have been watching how they make stuff on youtube (Marbles, chain, bearings and Co2 Cartridges) it was the cartridges that made me think of brass.

I mean in Idaho or something, not downtown Manhattan.

[TAB]

Primers are the hard part...

Making consistent gun powder is also no easy task, but compared to primers, pretty easy.

[Thanos]

I would love to see how it is done. I know a guy with a mass spectrometer...maybe I should see what they throw into the primer mix.

I would always be worried about just a little too much of one thing and BOOM!

[tombogan03884]

Actually as far as metal working goes, primers are the EASY part, installing the anvils would be tedious but not technically any challenge. And I can think of at least one way of making cases that would not require much in the way of technology. Take a brass disk with a hole in the center and press it down over a shaft, spin it and use a tool to press in an extractor groove and viola, all you need to do is neck it in a die and you've got your casing.
Primer cups and anvils can be made by hand with simple punches. ensuring uniform loads in the primers would be the hard part.

[Thanos]

Actually as far as metal working goes, primers are the EASY part, installing the anvils would be tedious but not technically any challenge. And I can think of at least one way of making cases that would not require much in the way of technology. Take a brass disk with a hole in the center and press it down over a shaft, spin it and use a tool to press in an extractor groove and viola, all you need to do is neck it in a die and you've got your casing.
Primer cups and anvils can be made by hand with simple punches. ensuring uniform loads in the primers would be the hard part.

That is exactly how I was thinking I would do it. I would like to get the machine that makes the .223 casings. 

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[tombogan03884]

If the press will handle one caliber it will handle all, just change the dies.

[Rastus]

One of the Wednesday night line up shows just had a expose' on CCI.  They showed a couple of ladies working with rimfire primers...separated by thick glass.  Seems as though one works the primer chemical which is inert when wet..the other one receives it and feeds it into the process of putting it in the rimfire case.

It looked like green Play Dough....several cans of it.  They didn't say what would happen if they let it dry...but the separation between the two work stations says it all.  Those might be the two highest paying jobs in the plant???

[DDMac]

Thanos, here's the real consideration. If a law is passed to practically eliminate the supply of ammunition to the public, it will also be illegal for any person to manufacture, for any reason, outside the Federal licensee authority. Just as during Prohibition, when they close a door, they lock it behind them. No do-it-yourself allowed.

Every draft of the various proposed ammo microstamping bills I have read includes a not-to-distant date beyond passage when mere possession of unstamped ammo will be illegal, thus making stockpiling futile. Every time you would break out the cases, powder and presses, you would get that same nagging paranoia that the pot growers and meth freaks experience. Who is going to come for me!!

The Constitution is the only safeguard, set aside the anguish of patriotic resistance, to stop the application of advancing Socialist political infrastructure.

My $.02.
Mac.

[Pathfinder]

The Constitution is the only safeguard, set aside the anguish of patriotic resistance, to stop the application of advancing Socialist fascist political infrastructure.

My $.02.
Mac.

There, fixed.

+1 on the rest.

Welcome back, buddy, good to see you here. our thoughts and prayers are still with you and your wife.

[CJS3]

Just as during Prohibition, when they close a door, they lock it behind them. No do-it-yourself allowed.

Do it yourselfers was the reason the Volkstead Act was eventually overturned. If you've ever watched any gangster movies, you'll note that Prohibition never really worked for the people that really wanted the prohibited substance. Same as the drug trade today.