Weapons Policies at Work

[TAB]

Sounds like the typical blanket statement that liberals often use to argue that no one should be allowed to have CCW rights anywhere.

Yes, shame on us employers trying to stay in biz and keep are employees employed.

There are 3 types of small biz owners.

Those that are afraid of being sued

Those currently being sued

Those who have been sued.


One bad comp claim and your done.  I've seen it happen, comp rates litterly triple over night.   FYI  Comp rates run about 50% of your hourly wage.

[SigShooter]

Supposing a company has a no weapons policy with the exception of locked in personal vehicles. And suppose that a worker goes postal for whatever reason. What would be the liability of a company if someone who had a permit and weapon in their vehicle had the ability to solve the situation, but couldn't do to a no weapons policy, which is irrelevant to a BG? What if it was an absolute ban on weapons, including personal vehicles?

I realize this is one of those, don't patronize while armed problems, but we're not talking about buying some products we could go without or get elsewhere, we're talking about how we make a living and spend a considerable amount of our time in these locations.

Yes, shame on us employers trying to stay in biz and keep are employees employed.

There are 3 types of small biz owners.

Those that are afraid of being sued

Those currently being sued

Those who have been sued.


One bad comp claim and your done.  I've seen it happen, comp rates litterly triple over night.   FYI  Comp rates run about 50% of your hourly wage.

Tort Reform.

[tombogan03884]

Sounds like the typical blanket statement that liberals often use to argue that no one should be allowed to have CCW rights anywhere.

Granted TAB, as usual, is going off the deep end here (in the wrong pool I might add).
But, the part you quoted IS out of context. He did preface it with " in many jobs", which is true enough. However the question that Hobes4pres is asking is what would make a sensible POLICY.
Since visitors may or may not be armed (assuming a CCW state) I would make the rule read "DISPLAY of weapons is grounds for termination with or without CCW permit." That way permit holders who carry are not impeded, but those who are irresponsible or threatening can be fired on the spot .

[TAB]

Unless you screwed up very badly, your employees would have no case against you.

[ericire12]

But, the part you quoted IS out of context.

Actually, I was saying that his entire comment was just left wing propaganda.... the part I emphasized was the main idea of his entire statement....


"We don't want more people carrying guns either openly or concealed because the more guns you have in a situation, the more likely you are to get gun violence."

-Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence







* What would make a reasonable policy is to allow CCW as per state law..... When someone gets a permit and carries a concealed gun, they are assuming any and all legal responsibility that goes along with carrying that gun, and they are held accountable by the laws that govern concealed carry in that state. There should NOT be a third or fourth party having a say in the matter. It should not make a damn bit of difference if the CCW holder is carrying at work, or just going out around town on their time off. The CCW laws of the state should not be able to be superseded.

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[tombogan03884]

Supposing a company has a no weapons policy with the exception of locked in personal vehicles. And suppose that a worker goes postal for whatever reason. What would be the liability of a company if someone who had a permit and weapon in their vehicle had the ability to solve the situation, but couldn't do to a no weapons policy, which is irrelevant to a BG? What if it was an absolute ban on weapons, including personal vehicles?

I realize this is one of those, don't patronize while armed problems, but we're not talking about buying some products we could go without or get elsewhere, we're talking about how we make a living and spend a considerable amount of our time in these locations.


Tort Reform.

That was exactly the case in the Pearl Miss. high school shooting, The Principle had parked OFF school property because he had a pistol in his vehicle. When the incident began he ran to his vehicle, retrieved his pistol and ended the  attack.

[tombogan03884]

Actually, I was saying that his entire comment was just left wing propaganda.... the part I emphasized was the main idea of his entire statement....


"We don't want more people carrying guns either openly or concealed because the more guns you have in a situation, the more likely you are to get gun violence."
Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

Jeez, I can't believe I'm defending this knucklehead on this. BUT, Eric, you are wrong about the first post, granted the rest is BS, but there ARE jobs where having ANY large piece of metal with you is a danger. MRI tech for example, or electrical worker as TAB cited. There was a case in SF while I was living out there, PG&E worker dropped a wrench, sounds minor right ? He blacked out all of SF for 12 hours or so. Would you want that kind of jolt going through a J frame in your pocket ?

[ericire12]

Jeez, I can't believe I'm defending this knucklehead on this. BUT, Eric, you are wrong about the first post, granted the rest is BS, but there ARE jobs where having ANY large piece of metal with you is a danger. MRI tech for example, or electrical worker as TAB cited. There was a case in SF while I was living out there, PG&E worker dropped a wrench, sounds minor right ? He blacked out all of SF for 12 hours or so. Would you want that kind of jolt going through a J frame in your pocket ?

Right, and you would expect the person to use professional judgment in each of those cases and be as safe as possible.... BUT what is reasonable to expect is for the rules at the work place to read "no large pieces of metal with you in this area", NOT "No guns anywhere on the premises or you are fired". 

[TAB]

Right, and you would expect the person to use professional judgment in each of those cases and be as safe as possible.... BUT what is reasonable to expect is for the rules at the work place to read "no large pieces of metal with you in this area", NOT "No guns anywhere on the premises or you are fired". 

Yeah professional judgment... here is the deal, you have to write policy so that the dumbest person on staff gets it.


Not to mention the countless gun owners that beleave in "concealed, means concealed"

We all know people don't read signs.   So let me ask you this, are you willing to pay, say 2 mil+ do to one of your employees carrying at work?  Do you think you could stay in biz if you did that?

[tt11758]

Unless you screwed up very badly, your employees would have no case against you.

That depends upon the state in which you reside, and the mood of any particular court.