9mm To the Forehead.......

[PegLeg45]

LEO friend sent this to me with the after picture. I found the link to the story (provided at bottom).


MP-5 Shot to head

Don't bring pistol caliber weapons to the fight if you have the option of using a rifle...

The following forwarded email is a bit gruesome, but it highlights the importance of shot placement and why one shot, even to the head won’t necessarily stop a person (they had even tried less lethal bean bag rounds before shooting him with a 9mm pistol round).

Man accused of killing wife is still in jail

Published on Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009

Beacon Journal staff report

The man accused of shooting his estranged wife and holding their son hostage from police remains jailed. Daniel Tice, 32, appeared in Akron Municipal Court Tuesday morning still showing the gunshot wound that ended an eight-hour standoff with police this month. He is charged with aggravated murder in the shooting death of his wife, Brandi Tice, 28. Daniel Tice was shot by police once in the forehead while he was holed up in the basement of his Martha Avenue home. The shot fractured his skull. Tice underwent surgery at Akron City Hospital and was taken Friday to the Summit County Jail, where he is being held in lieu of a $1 million bond set by visiting Judge Michael McNulty. Family members say Tice was angered over his wife's affair with a family member and her demand for a divorce. He is accused of shooting his wife in the living room, taking his son and holding police at bay for eight hours. His 4-year-old son was not harmed. The couple's two daughters, 8 and 7, were kept from the home when they returned from school. SWAT members worked their way inside the home and shot Tice with an MP5 assault rifle after failing to subdue the 6-foot-1, 280-pound man with nonlethal bean bags fired from a gun.

Regarding the 9 mm hit—the point of aim is a bit too high and looks like it may be on a curved portion of the skull. You actually want to target the eye-sockets, especially with a handgun round to avoid projectile deflection from the skull (this happens more frequently than people expect).


http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/01/man_indicted_for_murder.html

[Big Frank]

Just another thick-headed criminal. 

[Hazcat]

Peg,

I bet it stopped the asshat in his tracks anyways.  (and yeah, CENTER MASS at least double tap)

[bigkahuna07]

huh didn't know position that you shoot someone in the head would make a difference to him being stopped by it or having the round affected that much the punk is just lucky that it wasn't an m4 or other larger round that hit him in the head (but if it was a 556 round that hit him he wouldn't be able to walk into that court room) and just another reason of why I would of preferred something that didn't fire a 9mm round in that kind of situation, I personally will always a revolver round or 45 round.

[philw]

Peg,

I bet it stopped the asshat in his tracks anyways.  (and yeah, CENTER MASS at least double tap)

must of been budget constraints  as there was no double tap


There is a lot to be said for the old double tap, would have saved a fortune in surgery bills

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[1911 Junkie]

Now that's a quality avatar pic 

[tombogan03884]

Now that's a quality avatar pic 

DON'T TELL JUMBOFRANK !!! We'll be seeing this bonehead for months 

[Rob10ring]

must of been budget constraints  as there was no double tap


There is a lot to be said for the old double tap, would have saved a fortune in surgery bills

That first round may have initially looked like it made his head explode, so the officer may not have felt he needed a second shot. Or, second shot may have missed. I'll bet he went down though.

[fullautovalmet76]

Not that it really matters, but I chuckled at the description of the weapon used to shoot the suspect- "an MP5 assault rifle". Most of you know that an MP5 is a submachinegun, not a rifle, let alone an "assault rifle".

As for the effectiveness of a 9mm round, 9mm is perfectly effective at the distances in which they were operating. And 9mm has been putting people six feet under for over a 100 years. The article did not mention it, but I wonder if he was hit by a ricochet which could have kept the round from completely penetrating his skull; the article mentions he has a fractured skull.....

[Mojave Desert]

Was the SWAT team member possibly be using a subsonic 9mm round in a MP-5 SD?

Possiby a oil contaminated round?

Airsoft?